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So according to their source (destatis) 138,000 Germans left the country in 2015. Out of a population of 82 million. Plus, in 2015 121,000 Germans moved back to Germany which means 17,000 more Germans left than came back. Yeah, they are leaving the country in droves indeed. Time to worry now.
Depends on who we are talking about. If Germany looses 138k high potentials and well educated taxpayers and receive 121k welfare receivers or at least less performing people, its still a loss.
At the moment I know about many people who do not consider Germany as "their country" anymore and even if they are not leaving yet, due to family and job reasons, still are thinking about other options.
Depends on who we are talking about. If Germany looses 138k high potentials and well educated taxpayers and receive 121k welfare receivers or at least less performing people, its still a loss.
Are there any statistics on the educational background of those leaving and returning? Do the statistics include students or researchers who go abroad for a limited period of time or only those whose intention it is to permanently leave? What about historical data, say from the 50's-90's?
Either way, I wouldn't really call a net loss of 17,000/year" leaving in droves" as the article states. Especially not in a country of 82 million people.
That probably has nothing to do with the "migrant crisis", most likely just people trying to evade taxes. I also don't consider 4,000 people out of the 1.5 million millionaires in Germany an "exodus" as the article says. That's 0.26%.
That probably has nothing to do with the "migrant crisis", most likely just people trying to evade taxes. I also don't consider 4,000 people out of the 1.5 million millionaires in Germany an "exodus" as the article says. That's 0.26%.
It's even more absurd. The figures are from a "study" released by a South African "consulting firm". But in reality it's not a consulting firm, but an obscure one-man letterbox company.
There is no statistical agency in Germany that raises data about the wealth of emigrating or immigrating persons. It's absurd to think that it would be possible to determine the number of millionaires that left Germany or move to Germany. How should an obscure one-man letterbox company from South Africa be able to make such a complicated survey in Germany? When even statistical agencies in Germany are unable to raise data about this topic.
It's shocking that so many people don't question figures or surveys from obscure sources.
It's even more absurd. The figures are from a "study" released by a South African "consulting firm". But in reality it's not a consulting firm, but an obscure one-man letterbox company.
There is no statistical agency in Germany that raises data about the wealth of emigrating or immigrating persons. It's absurd to think that it would be possible to determine the number of millionaires that left Germany or move to Germany. How should an obscure one-man letterbox company from South Africa be able to make such a complicated survey in Germany? When even statistical agencies in Germany are unable to raise data about this topic.
It's shocking that so many people don't question figures or surveys from obscure sources.
I add that if 4000 germans decided to leave, and even if that's a record, maybe the german economy created 10 000 millionairs so the net quantity of millionairs still rise. Do they precise this in their study?
Depends on who we are talking about. If Germany looses 138k high potentials and well educated taxpayers and receive 121k welfare receivers or at least less performing people, its still a loss.
At the moment I know about many people who do not consider Germany as "their country" anymore and even if they are not leaving yet, due to family and job reasons, still are thinking about other options.
It's easily explicable why more Germans left Germany than move back to Germany. The German population is aging and it's quite common for German retirees to move to places with more pleasant climate. Spain is for example a very popular destination for spending the sunset years.
In addition to this many "guest-workers" that came in the past are now in retirement age. Many of them have obtained the German citizenship. And many of them will now move back to their originally homeland for retirement.
Germany is aging and it will become difficult in the future to supply all the retirees. It makes a lot of sense that those people move to other countries. especially to those that have a current account deficit with Germany. These countries can pay their debt by catering for elderly Germans. Germany should even give incentives to German retirees to leave Germany.
It's easily explicable why more Germans left Germany than move back to Germany. The German population is aging and it's quite common for German retirees to move to places with more pleasant climate. Spain is for example a very popular destination for spending the sunset years.
In addition to this many "guest-workers" that came in the past are now in retirement age. Many of them have obtained the German citizenship. And many of them will now move back to their originally homeland for retirement.
Germany is aging and it will become difficult in the future to supply all the retirees. It makes a lot of sense that those people move to other countries. especially to those that have a current account deficit with Germany. These countries can pay their debt by catering for elderly Germans. Germany should even give incentives to German retirees to leave Germany.
Germany doesn't pay senior benefits to retirees who expatriate themselves? If they don't your idea is good. However, if expatriated seniors do receive government benefits, it hurts the German economy for that money to be spent elsewhere.
All money spent by Spanish SS on EEC members with an European SS card is repaid by those countries, some, like UK, do have a large deficit with Spain.
Germans don't breed, like Italians, Spanish, Russians and many other countries, children are expensive and are not useful as before to plow fields, wars, etc.
Germany doesn't pay senior benefits to retirees who expatriate themselves? If they don't your idea is good. However, if expatriated seniors do receive government benefits, it hurts the German economy for that money to be spent elsewhere.
No, it's a complete misunderstanding about economics. It's not the money that matters but real goods and services.
Germany has a huge drain of goods and services. In return we get money. The money is useless until it's changed back into real goods and services. What could we do with all the money? We could buy more foreign made goods, but people doesn't seem to want to buy more foreign made goods. Another solution, we could use the money to buy foreign services in foreign countries. Sending idle retirees abroad is a good way to get rid of these freeloaders. It's much better when people in other countries have to supply our freeloaders.
If the retirees spend their senior benefits in Germany then someone in Germany has to work for them. But more work will reduce the living standard. But if they spend their money in Spain or in the U.S. than Spaniards or Americans have to work. We can reduce our working hours and other have to work more. That is a good deal for us. Every retiree that we can force to leave Germany is advantageous for us. Because they absolutely don't perform any service.
Of course Germany pays senior benefits to retirees who emigrate. But in addition to this Germany should give every emigrating retiree an extra bonus. A German retiree who lives in the U.S. can't waste German goods and services. That means per capita more available goods and services in Germany and therefore a higher living standard. The German retiree in the U.S. will mostly consume American goods and services. That means per capita fewer available goods and serives in the U.S. and therefore a lower living standard in the U.S.
Forcing freeloaders out of the country is a good method to increase the living standard.
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