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Yes I went last year for about 6 weeks, LA to NY, travelling across the SW, South, and East. So now I have some (limited) experience to draw on too!
Plan to be back as soon as possible!
Cool to hear. Sounds like some extensive travel (more than me) across the US. Going somewhere makes it much more real and easier to learn more, judging by my own experience with Mexico.
I guess when someone says Ozarks the first thought of most people is Missouri, though.
Do other people think this is true? I grew up in the Arkansas Ozarks and think this seems weird in that the Arkansas Ozarks are so much nicer and hillier than MO. The best part of MO is the part right next to AR. Much of the MO Ozarks seem to be relatively flat. Springfield, Queen City of the Ozarks, is pretty much flat as a board. Arkansas, on the other hand, has a huge stretch of beautiful hilly land and not just the part bordering MO.
Do other people think this is true? I grew up in the Arkansas Ozarks and think this seems weird in that the Arkansas Ozarks are so much nicer and hillier than MO. The best part of MO is the part right next to AR. Much of the MO Ozarks seem to be relatively flat. Springfield, Queen City of the Ozarks, is pretty much flat as a board. Arkansas, on the other hand, has a huge stretch of beautiful hilly land and not just the part bordering MO.
I agree with you, but you're forgetting the more mountainous area of Missouri - it's southeastern portion. Missouri seems to have a more lakes and a bigger concentration of them - that may be why people think "Missouri" so quickly, especially considering the "Lake of the Ozarks". But overall, I think Oklahoma's the state who is the least known and most underrated. I created a thread on here a while back Oklahoma VS Missouri.
Do other people think this is true? I grew up in the Arkansas Ozarks and think this seems weird in that the Arkansas Ozarks are so much nicer and hillier than MO. The best part of MO is the part right next to AR. Much of the MO Ozarks seem to be relatively flat. Springfield, Queen City of the Ozarks, is pretty much flat as a board. Arkansas, on the other hand, has a huge stretch of beautiful hilly land and not just the part bordering MO.
Springfield, MO is situated on the Ozark Plateau just like Crossville, TN is situated on the Cumberland Plateau.
The elevation change around Springfield, MO proper is not very great, but outlying areas to the east and southeast of Springfield have quite a bit more topographic relief and sizable hills.
Springfield, MO is situated on the Ozark Plateau just like Crossville, TN is situated on the Cumberland Plateau.
The elevation change around Springfield, MO proper is not very great, but outlying areas to the east and southeast of Springfield have quite a bit more topographic relief and sizable hills.
Thats what I was speaking of, the topographical map I posted should make it obvious to the poster I was replying to.
Yes, really. That map seems very deceptive to me. From looking at it, you would think Springfield would be very hilly or even mountainous. In reality, it is a rolling plain. Aurora and Ava look more impressive on the map than the area around Branson when in reality just the opposite is true. I've been all over southern MO. That is a very flattering map. Driving over the northwestern third of AR is much more impressive and beautiful.
As far as lakes, well that is subjective like everything else.
MO
Lake of the Ozarks
Table Rock
Stockton
Pomme de Terre
Truman
Taneycomo (?) just a stopped up river but they call it a lake
AR
Bull Shoals
Norfork
Beaver
Greers Ferry
Sequoyah (small but if we are counting Taneycomo...)
It's not like MO dominates in the lakes. Again, MO's best lake is Table Rock and it's pressed right against AR. Scenery wise, the Buffalo River > any of these lakes.
Yes, really. That map seems very deceptive to me. From looking at it, you would think Springfield would be very hilly or even mountainous. In reality, it is a rolling plain. Aurora and Ava look more impressive on the map than the area around Branson when in reality just the opposite is true. I've been all over southern MO. That is a very flattering map. Driving over the northwestern third of AR is much more impressive and beautiful.
As far as lakes, well that is subjective like everything else.
MO
Lake of the Ozarks
Table Rock
Stockton
Pomme de Terre
Truman
Taneycomo (?) just a stopped up river but they call it a lake
AR
Bull Shoals
Norfork
Beaver
Greers Ferry
Sequoyah (small but if we are counting Taneycomo...)
It's not like MO dominates in the lakes. Again, MO's best lake is Table Rock and it's pressed right against AR. Scenery wise, the Buffalo River > any of these lakes.
I grew up in southern MO, spent the first quarter century of my life running around in it, to say that the map is wrong is disingenuous, to say the least.
Perhaps you would like this map better?
Or how about this one?
Dude, you're doing really well at learning our country vicariously through the internet. I seriously mean that. You probably know the US better than a lot of Americans do. Have you been here yet?
I would like to say though....despite some rhetoric, a lot of country folks, people with rural interests (hunting, fishing, etc.), who vote Republican, farm, etc. are not necessarily uneducated. Many have college educations, for sure. In Texas and the South, many are doctors, lawyers, etc. Many farmers are rich upper-middle class and even upper class. In the north these folks get snubbed, but in the South many become professionals. As for the more common country type, many are at least history or war buffs. There's a prejudice toward rural or Southern types in this country, and I see you've sort of jumped on that bandwagon, so that's why I made mention of all of the above. I should also add many Democrats are country people. Many vote Democrat because Democrats support unions. Others vote Democrat because they have good state or other local politicians who are down to earth and don't seem overly liberal, elistist, or any of that. Many Dems are socially conservative.
This was a good post. A lot of people just assume that everyone votes Republican down around here. But there are many rural Democrats. The vast majority of state and local offices in Arkansas are controlled by Democrats.
There can be quite a bit of sub-regional differences between, say, Cape and Poplar Bluff as far as accents and the use of words and colloquialisms.
This is an excellent map of regional accents.
That map puts Tulsa and OKC in the midland accent catagory, same as KC!
Um...no. Definitely wrong.
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