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Justin moved upstate to Utica about a year ago but was back in the city for the holidays to visit his grandparents at the Forrest Houses.
Detectives were investigating a motive for the murder.
Justin had no criminal record, and the brother and friend told police the suspects didn’t say a word before one of them opened fire.
On Tuesday afternoon, two police cars were parked near the scene of the shooting. Spencer Johnson, a 38-year-old truck driver, stopped there to drop his son off at a child care facility nearby.
“It's scary with this kind of thing happening right here,” he said.
“Kids are dying for no reason at all.”
Williams reportedly attended Utica’s Thomas R. Proctor High School, where students Tuesday spoke to grief counselors.
****ty article to reference but it supports my point.
There are many from the city that live upstate. Many.
Culturally speaking, North Jersey, southern Upstate NY counties, and CT are all the same.
How could immediate areas of NJ and CT be more NYC than Upstate counties NYC is actually connected to?
CT is more associated with NYC than Westchester? Theyre basically the same plot of land with an imaginary boundary.
and Westchester is considered Upstate by many. Which is why im debating the definition of Upstate here.
I think Westchester counts. But just because it's connected to more counties further up doesn't mean they're all the same. The metro area and city associations have to end somewhere. Going by your logic, you could say that California associates with NYC just because eventually, a New York County will lead to a CA county by way of other counties. It doesn't make sense. The association ends somewhere. And I think it's north of Westchester county. Where the news stops broadcasting, where NYC radio stations don't reach, and where you can't see NYC anymore. I live in Cranford. You can see NYC from the exit 137 (Cranford) parkway overpass. Can you see NYC from upstate New York (and I mean north of the metro region)? They make metro regions for a reason. It's because places within the metro region are all similar. And sometimes, even the boundaries are really reaching. For example, Pike County, PA? Really?
Buffalo has its own metro region. So does Syracuse. New Jersey doesn't. We're either Philly or New York. Mostly New York. You can't say that cities with their own metro regions are more connected to NYC than places within the NYC metro area. It makes zero sense.
Of course NYC and NY state cities/town are associated with one another. They're in the same state. Just overall, not more so than NJ is to NYC.
I think Westchester counts. But just because it's connected to more counties further up doesn't mean they're all the same. The metro area and city associations have to end somewhere. Going by your logic, you could say that California associates with NYC just because eventually, a New York County will lead to a CA county by way of other counties. It doesn't make sense. The association ends somewhere. And I think it's north of Westchester county. Where the news stops broadcasting, where NYC radio stations don't reach, and where you can't see NYC anymore. I live in Cranford. You can see NYC from the exit 137 (Cranford) parkway overpass. Can you see NYC from upstate New York (and I mean north of the metro region)? They make metro regions for a reason. It's because places within the metro region are all similar. And sometimes, even the boundaries are really reaching. For example, Pike County, PA? Really?
Buffalo has its own metro region. So does Syracuse. New Jersey doesn't. We're either Philly or New York. Mostly New York. You can't say that cities with their own metro regions are more connected to NYC than places within the NYC metro area. It makes zero sense.
Of course NYC and NY state cities/town are associated with one another. They're in the same state. Just overall, not more so than NJ is to NYC.
Right, but my initial sticking point here is that the OP asks whether NYC is associated more with NJ/CT than Upstate, however, Upstate counties are included in the metro with NJ and CT.
It makes no geopraphical sense in any way, shape or form to include two but not the other. So the correct answer to his/her question would be all three.
no it doesnt because transplants have nothing to do with this thread.
You brought it up earlier, course it does culturally speaking.
The only cultural aspect between Upstate and Downstate thats different is the pace of life, which would also be no different than the difference in pace of life in any other city/state region.
Most of PA isnt like Philly, right? IL to Chicago? MA to Boston? CA to LA/SF? WA to Seattle?
I think Westchester counts. But just because it's connected to more counties further up doesn't mean they're all the same. The metro area and city associations have to end somewhere. Going by your logic, you could say that California associates with NYC just because eventually, a New York County will lead to a CA county by way of other counties. It doesn't make sense. The association ends somewhere. And I think it's north of Westchester county. Where the news stops broadcasting, where NYC radio stations don't reach, and where you can't see NYC anymore. I live in Cranford. You can see NYC from the exit 137 (Cranford) parkway overpass. Can you see NYC from upstate New York (and I mean north of the metro region)? They make metro regions for a reason. It's because places within the metro region are all similar. And sometimes, even the boundaries are really reaching. For example, Pike County, PA? Really?
Buffalo has its own metro region. So does Syracuse. New Jersey doesn't. We're either Philly or New York. Mostly New York. You can't say that cities with their own metro regions are more connected to NYC than places within the NYC metro area. It makes zero sense.
Of course NYC and NY state cities/town are associated with one another. They're in the same state. Just overall, not more so than NJ is to NYC.
You cant see the skyline outside of the NJ metro region either.
You brought it up earlier, course it does culturally speaking.
The only cultural aspect between Upstate and Downstate thats different is the pace of life, which would also be no different than the difference in pace of life in any other city/state region.
Most of PA isnt like Philly, right? IL to Chicago? MA to Boston? CA to LA/SF? WA to Seattle?
um no i did not at all. You and others brought up transplant talk. my post state that transplants dont mean anything because if thats the case then nyc must be associated with atlanta, florida, maryland, virginia, and others as well.
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