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OK, so now I get what you're arguing. I definitely think you're wrong, but at least I get the line of reasoning.
In your opinion, a metro area is equivalent to an MSA, and not a CSA.
Neither definition is perfect. But MSA is usually a much better definition. CSA is more equivalent to a greater region than suburbs closely.
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So, in your estimation, rural counties in PA 120 miles from Manhattan are "NYC" while urban counties close to Manhattan are not "NYC". Or, you think that empty desert land far from LA is "LA" while urbanized suburbs close to LA are not "LA". Or you think that SF is totally separate from Silicon Valley and they have absolutely nothing to do with one another. Silicon Valley may as well be in Japan, and Stanford may as well be on the moon, and both have nothing whatsoever to do with the tech growth in the SF Bay Area.
That's a huge stretch, you're adding words in a poster's mouth that's not there. Saying it's not part of the metro doesn't mean I don't think there's no connection. Saying "Baltimore is not part of the DC Metro" certainly does not mean Baltimore may as well be in Japan. Dumb analogy.
I do think Fairfield County kinda counts as the NYC metro. New Haven County or any other county? Definitely not. There's a rather different urban history to coastal Connecticut compared to Long Island. Long Island neighborhoods on average get newer as you go eastward away from the city (excluding villages built along the LIRR though most of those in Suffolk County were rather small) and somewhat less dense. It also experienced a huge population boom in the mid 20th century. Coastal Connecticut isn't much like that. For example around New Haven is a ring of suburbs, then less development. Ditto with Bridgeport. Stamford westward is clearly connected to NYC outward suburban growth. New Haven County grew by 58% since 1950, rather low for a typical outer suburb. Cultural markers also make it apparent coastal Connecticut isn't as tied to New York City as Long Island. In affluent north shore areas of Long Island (say Huntington or Northport, let alone closer in Nassau) hearing NYC accents are common. Not as much in Connecticut. The region has more of a separate identity, I wouldn't count coastal Connecticut as a typical NYC suburb; Nassau County and some of New Jersey are probably better examples.
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Saying that CT is not the metro area because it has its own jobs area is complete nonsense. If Long Island were to develop some highrise jobs center tomorrow, it wouldn't make LI less a part of the NYC region. It would just mean that it has a commercial hub now. Or, to take SF, if Silicon Valley crumbled tomorrow, then it would become part of the MSA, not the CSA. But that would be a bad thing, not a good thing, and make Silicon Valley less integrated with SF, not more.
Except the greater job independence. More people working outside their area does make it more tied to the rest of the region, that is what the definition of a metro area is. It's not nonsensical.
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And most of Connecticut definitely feels like its part of the NYC area. The busiest suburban rail line in the NYC area is in Connecticut, and the busiest suburban stations are in Connecticut. Coastal CT (where most people live) are very tied into NYC, every bit as much as the NY State and NJ suburbs (and much, much moreso than the PA parts of the metro area). The entire CT economy is linked to the NYC economy. CT is, by far, the most important financial center in the U.S. outside of Manhattan and has more hedge funds than anywhere on earth outside of Manhattan.
I'd agree Fairfield County has close economic ties to NYC, especially the Stamford - Greenwich region. But elsewhere? Not that much. As for busy suburban rail lines, the busiest station (New Haven) has the same ridership on weekends as weekdays. It functions more as short-distance intercity rail rather than soley commuter rail
I cannot imagine SoCal being more expensive than Fairfield County for purchasing a house. I'm maybe wrong, but I don't think you're fully aware of the properties out there. If you try to purchase an ocean facing property sure, but somewhere in Riverside is basically dirt cheap.
Median home value, Fairfield County $432,000
Median home value, San Diego County $402,000
Median home value, Los Angeles County $420,200
Fairfield and New Haven counties are not even part of the NYC metro. Look it up. Each of these counties are their own MSA. They are not part of the NYC MSA. Therefore, they are NOT part of the NYC metro. I don't know why people keep saying this nonsense.
Fairfield and New Haven counties are not even part of the NYC metro.
Yes, they are. Everyone knows that the NYC metro area is the tri-state area consisting of NY/NJ/CT.
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Look it up. Each of these counties are their [I
own[/i] MSA. They are not part of the NYC MSA.
MSA has nothing definitive to do with "metro area". MSA, along with UA and CSA, is one of three Census-based regional metrics, none of which are "metro area".
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Therefore, they are NOT part of the NYC metro. I don't know why people keep saying this nonsense.
Maybe because "they" know such an obvious fact, and you apparently don't?
Yes, they are. Everyone knows that the NYC metro area is the tri-state area consisting of NY/NJ/CT.
MSA has nothing definitive to do with "metro area". MSA, along with UA and CSA, is one of three Census-based regional metrics, none of which are "metro area".
Maybe because "they" know such an obvious fact, and you apparently don't?
Well, I don't look at it that way at all. To me, MSA = "metro area." But I agree with you that these counties are part of the tri-state area. But that's not synonymous with "metro area."
MSA has nothing definitive to do with "metro area". MSA, along with UA and CSA, is one of three Census-based regional metrics, none of which are "metro area".
The MSA stands for Metropolitan Statistical Area, but somehow has nothing to do with "metro area"?
Everything you know about other places you learned from national TV news shows and other NY based media that constantly tell you how wonderful, special, tolerant and intelligent you are (because they live and work there, too).
Had to move away to discover that I wasn't that great and other places aren't awful.
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