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Old 10-31-2019, 06:57 PM
 
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Well whichever relatively declining city that got its pro franchises in a very different era.
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Old 10-31-2019, 08:05 PM
 
Location: SF, CA
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Default what is "Tier 1" pro sports?

I would suggest that the NFL, MLB and NBA are the top-tier sports in the US.

Hockey and soccer aren't in the same league (pardon the expression).
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Old 10-31-2019, 09:57 PM
 
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If we're going by MSA, Riverside/San Bernardino is the winner, even if it is a glorified LA exurb.
MSA’s size are useless as well as fraudulent!! Riverside and San Bernardino are LA suburbs, pure and simple. The only metric that matters when it comes to sports franchises is TV market size!!
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Old 10-31-2019, 10:50 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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I would suggest that the NFL, MLB and NBA are the top-tier sports in the US.

Hockey and soccer aren't in the same league (pardon the expression).
Well, NHL is nearly always included in what is called the "Big Four" of professional sports in the US. Its average attendance is close to the NBA and nowhere comparable to MLS. You also typically don't see NHL and NBA in the same city outside of the largest metros, since they're significant enough to take away from the other in the wintertime. To be frank, no MLB team is going to give a crap if it has an MLS franchise playing in its city.


So with that criteria, the answer to the thread is Austin, El Paso and Louisville, in that order.
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Old 10-31-2019, 10:54 PM
 
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Lots of television markets get bigger if you include other cities within 85 miles of somewhere. Regardless, if this is with an eye towards being good relocation options for pro teams, look to the 1 & 2 pro team cities. They will be first in-line when Baltimore or Buffalo lose a team. Portland is now too large to be a 1-pro city for too much longer.
Lexington DMA includes places within just a 40-50 miles of downtown Louisville. No, its simply not fair to count a DMA like Raleigh for example includes Fayetteville which is preposterously falsely elevating Raligh at 65 miles from downtown Raleigh and literally 90 miles from much of the populated north side of that metro near Durham. downtown Louisville to downtown lexington is 78 miles and SEVERAL of Lexington counties are within 60 miles. And that's one example. Nashville's DMA is another overinflated one.

Again, people just don't realize how many people are in the golden triangle of Louisville-Lexington, to NKY. There isn't a better nor bigger market without NBA with a bigger fan base for basketball.
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Old 10-31-2019, 10:56 PM
 
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Lexington DMA includes places within just a 40-50 miles of downtown Louisville. No, its simply not fair to count a DMA like Raleigh for example includes Fayetteville which is preposterously falsely elevating Raligh at 65 miles from downtown Raleigh and literally 90 miles from much of the populated north side of that metro near Durham. downtown Louisville to downtown lexington is 78 miles and SEVERAL of Lexington counties are within 60 miles. And that's one example. Nashville's DMA is another overinflated one.

Again, people just don't realize how many people are in the golden triangle of Louisville-Lexington, to NKY. There isn't a better nor bigger market without NBA with a bigger fan base for basketball.
The NBA is not looking to expand.
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Old 10-31-2019, 11:00 PM
 
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The NBA is not looking to expand.
They may in a few years at the next collective bargaining agreement. After Seattle, there's not a market that makes more sense than Louisville. It's much bigger than it appears on paper and the city will EASILY support the team attendance wise and adding Lexington to the DMA will create the top 25 DMA needed (for advertising and TV viewing). Having the Cincinnati DMA and Northern KY (The team will be called Kentucky Colonels) is icing on the cake.
Louisville has a well funded plan and active engagement to bring a team:

https://www.nba2lou.com

There have been talks with Chinese billionaires. People sleep on Louisville but you will all see in a few years I think.
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Old 11-01-2019, 03:00 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico
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The largest DMAs in the 2019-2020 Nielsen Top 50 without a major pro sports team right now or officially announced are:

#33 - Hartford & New Haven 885,890
#36 - West Palm Beach-Ft. Pierce 828,980
#38 - Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville-Anderson 787,930
#42 - Norfolk-Portsmouth-Newport News 684,310
#44 - Birmingham (Anniston and Tuscaloosa) 666,170
#45 - Grand Rapids-Kalamazoo-Battle Creek 653,100
#46 - Albuquerque-Santa Fe 648,350
#47 - Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York 641,660
#48 - Louisville 636,150
#49 - Greensboro-High Point-Winston-Salem 635,580

https://www.nielsen.com/wp-content/u...dma-ranker.pdf
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Old 11-01-2019, 09:27 AM
 
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Riverside at 4.6 million is the largest MSA without a major team. Incidentally, depending on your viewpoint, Austin is getting a MLS franchise so they may be off the list.
Riverside is just part of/a subset of the Los Angeles area. They have a ton of teams.
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Old 11-01-2019, 10:09 AM
 
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Lexington DMA includes places within just a 40-50 miles of downtown Louisville. No, its simply not fair to count a DMA like Raleigh for example includes Fayetteville which is preposterously falsely elevating Raligh at 65 miles from downtown Raleigh and literally 90 miles from much of the populated north side of that metro near Durham. downtown Louisville to downtown lexington is 78 miles and SEVERAL of Lexington counties are within 60 miles. And that's one example. Nashville's DMA is another overinflated one.

Again, people just don't realize how many people are in the golden triangle of Louisville-Lexington, to NKY. There isn't a better nor bigger market without NBA with a bigger fan base for basketball.
All 3 DMAs are over 10,000 square miles. Lexington’s is actually the largest. You add Louisville’s to Lexington’s DMA, you are covering over 200 miles.

The biggest markets without a NBA team are Seattle, Tampa, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, and Raleigh.
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