Gubernatorial Race 2018 (Atlanta, White, Norwood: Hispanics, Asians, Latinos)

[Iconographer]

Originally Posted by bu2

https://politics.myajc.com/news/stat...gqBvBACDoFfXI/

Abrams has personal debt.

A company Kemp invested in has debt. It isn't clear from the article whether he legally guaranteed the debt. The debt is not in dispute. But the lender's recourse to him at this point is.

These are clearly different situations.

The only thing that is similar is that they both conceivably could have financial pressures.

And you are glossing over one very salient point I made...

If (as the plaintiff claims) there is documented evidence of Kemp's personal guaranty of the 500K debt, I should think he best shut his trap about Ms. Abrams' personal finances

Have you never borrowed under condition of personally guaranteeing the loan? If you did, you are on the hook just as much as if you put your personal endorsement on the loan itself. So no, there is no equivocation here.

[ronricks]

Originally Posted by Atlwarrior

Let be clear and not foul ourselves. It will come down to whether some people can look pass color and gender for Abrams to be the next governor.

Whites are far more likely to vote for Abrams than blacks are for Kemp. What you are saying is silly. There isn't a more monolithic voting block in the country than the black vote.

[NC2ATL60]

Originally Posted by Atlwarrior

Let be clear and not foul ourselves. It will come down to whether some people can look pass color and gender for Abrams to be the next governor.

Agreed.

[bu2]

Originally Posted by Iconographer

And you are glossing over one very salient point I made...

If (as the plaintiff claims) there is documented evidence of Kemp's personal guaranty of the 500K debt, I should think he best shut his trap about Ms. Abrams' personal finances

Have you never borrowed under condition of personally guaranteeing the loan? If you did, you are on the hook just as much as if you put your personal endorsement on the loan itself. So no, there is no equivocation here.

Read your own point. The plaintiff claims.
And its a debt of a business he invests in but only owns 8% of. He has the right to get the primary debtor to try to pay it.

[JPD]

Originally Posted by ronricks

Whites are far more likely to vote for Abrams than blacks are for Kemp. What you are saying is silly. There isn't a more monolithic voting block in the country than the black vote.

Throughout the history of this country, the choices on a given ballot being ONLY white men far outnumbers the opportunities for anyone to vote for a black person. So it would behoove us all to give that some serious consideration before trying to fault black people for voting for black candidates on the comparatively rare occasions when that is even an option.

[bu2]

Originally Posted by ronricks

Whites are far more likely to vote for Abrams than blacks are for Kemp. What you are saying is silly. There isn't a more monolithic voting block in the country than the black vote.

And as said before, people vote their ideology. Georgia is a conservative state.

People will have to be convinced Abrams is not as liberal as she campaigned in the Democratic primary and that she would be better for creating jobs. It could happen. Maryland has a Republican governor who is the overwhelming favorite to get reelected in a state that is far more Democratic than Georgia is Republican.

But its not likely.

[bu2]

Originally Posted by JPD

Throughout the history of this country, the choices on a given ballot being ONLY white men far outnumbers the opportunities for anyone to vote for a black person. So it would behoove us all to give that some serious consideration before trying to fault black people for voting for black candidates on the comparatively rare occasions when that is even an option.

I don't think he's criticizing Black people. He's criticizing the poster's claim that Abrams will only lose because large numbers of white people won't vote for a Black.

[-thomass]

Originally Posted by Atlwarrior

Let be clear and not foul ourselves. It will come down to whether some people can look pass color and gender for Abrams to be the next governor.

Are you saying that a democratic voter in GA wouldn’t vote for a black woman? I find that hard to believe. She destroyed her opponent in the primary. And she is likely to do better than any liberal in the history of Gubernatorial races in GA. Why play the race card here?

[Iconographer]

Originally Posted by bu2

Read your own point. The plaintiff claims.
And its a debt of a business he invests in but only owns 8% of. He has the right to get the primary debtor to try to pay it.

Yes, and I qualified the statement, obviously, and the amount of ownership he retains is utterly irrelevant in the case of a personal guaranty. It would stand even if he has no stake in the borrowing entity at all. At any rate, the truth will out in court. Meanwhile, he continues to misrepresent Ms, Abrams' situation to the point of absurdity. The fact that he can't seem to come up with anything else but that is frankly embarrassing and only serves to make her look better over time.

[CCATL]

Originally Posted by Iconographer

Yes, and I qualified the statement, obviously, and the amount of ownership he retains is utterly irrelevant in the case of a personal guaranty. It would stand even if he has no stake in the borrowing entity at all. At any rate, the truth will out in court. Meanwhile, he continues to misrepresent Ms, Abrams' situation to the point of absurdity. The fact that he can't seem to come up with anything else but that is frankly embarrassing and only serves to make her look better over time.

My thoughts exactly. Obviously, she doesn't have a ton of dirt to be dug up, or he'd already be bringing it up.