Gubernatorial Race 2018 (Atlanta, White: liberal, claim, how far)

[JPD]

Originally Posted by bu2

I don't think he's criticizing Black people. He's criticizing the poster's claim that Abrams will only lose because large numbers of white people won't vote for a Black.

He's doing both.

[JPD]

Originally Posted by -thomass

Are you saying that a democratic voter in GA wouldn’t vote for a black woman? I find that hard to believe. She destroyed her opponent in the primary. And she is likely to do better than any liberal in the history of Gubernatorial races in GA. Why play the race card here?

I'll say it.

There are some racist and sexist independent voters who will only vote for a democrat if it is a white man. Surely there are even some who call themselves democrats who are the same way. It's certainly not the norm among democrats, but it shouldn't be any surprise that there are racists and/or sexists of all political stripes.

[ronricks]

Originally Posted by JPD

Throughout the history of this country, the choices on a given ballot being ONLY white men far outnumbers the opportunities for anyone to vote for a black person. So it would behoove us all to give that some serious consideration before trying to fault black people for voting for black candidates on the comparatively rare occasions when that is even an option.

Only we have plenty of sample sizes of black candidates that wouldn't have been elected without the white vote. Some right here in Atlanta. It doesn't change the Fact that whites are far more likely (and do) to vote for a black candidate than vice versa. In fact, black people are more likely to vote for someone that looks like them than whites, Hispanic/Latinos of non black descent, or Asians.

[JPD]

Originally Posted by ronricks

Only we have plenty of sample sizes of black candidates that wouldn't have been elected without the white vote. Some right here in Atlanta. It doesn't change the Fact that whites are far more likely (and do) to vote for a black candidate than vice versa. In fact, black people are more likely to vote for someone that looks like them than whites, Hispanic/Latinos of non black decent, or Asians.

Can you blame them?

But anyway, none of that counters the point that if Abrams wants to win, she will have to pick up votes from people who have never voted for a black person.

[ronricks]

Originally Posted by JPD

I'll say it.

There are some racist and sexist independent voters who will only vote for a democrat if it is a white man. Surely there are even some who call themselves democrats who are the same way. It's certainly not the norm among democrats, but it shouldn't be any surprise that there are racists and/or sexists of all political stripes.

At least you included this part.

[ronricks]

Originally Posted by JPD

Can you blame them?

But anyway, none of that counters the point that if Abrams wants to win, she will have to pick up votes from people who have never voted for a black person.

The Facts I have posted blow up your narrative. Lets look at the opposite of this situation that we just had in Atlanta for the Mayoral election. In order for Mary Norwood (or any other white candidate) to win they needed to pick up some of that monolithic black voting bloc that have never voted for a white person. Didn't happen. Are the blacks that didn't vote for Norwood also racist or sexist? Are you saying it is ok for blacks to vote for black candidates but not ok for Whites, Hispanics, or Asians to vote for candidates that look like them? There seems to be a disconnect here on this issue in your posts.

[JPD]

Originally Posted by ronricks

The Facts I have posted blow up your narrative. Lets look at the opposite of this situation that we just had in Atlanta for the Mayoral election. In order for Mary Norwood (or any other white candidate) to win they needed to pick up some of that monolithic black voting bloc that have never voted for a white person. Didn't happen. Are the blacks that didn't vote for Norwood also racist or sexist? Are you saying it is ok for blacks to vote for black candidates but not ok for Whites, Hispanics, or Asians to vote for candidates that look like them? There seems to be a disconnect here on this issue in your posts.

You miss the point. Black folks have been voting for white candidates since the first election they were allowed to participate in. And that was a long time before it became somewhat commonplace for a black person to appear on a ballot. So to act as if black folks won't vote for white candidates is a wholesale rewriting of history.

[ronricks]

Originally Posted by JPD

He's doing both.

No. What I am doing is showing how in 2018 the logic you are trying to use can be obsolete (President Obama winning two national elections) can be the other way around (Mary Norwood losing) or can be indifferent like what we are likely to get with Abrams vs Kemp. Even then in this election for Governor blacks are far more likely to vote for Abrams than Kemp.

[ronricks]

Originally Posted by JPD

You miss the point. Black folks have been voting for white candidates since the first election they were allowed to participate in. And that was a long time before it became somewhat commonplace for a black person to appear on a ballot. So to act as if black folks won't vote for white candidates is a wholesale rewriting of history.

White voters in Atlanta have been voting for black candidates going on 45 years now. The opposite can't be said and we just had a very good example of this in the Mayoral election. You miss the point. If Abrams loses it won't be because of racism or sexism. Just like if Kemp loses it won't be because of racism or sexism.

[JPD]

Originally Posted by ronricks

No. What I am doing is showing how in 2018 the logic you are trying to use can be obsolete (President Obama winning two national elections) can be the other way around (Mary Norwood losing) or can be indifferent like what we are likely to get with Abrams vs Kemp. Even then in this election for Governor blacks are far more likely to vote for Abrams than Kemp.

Thank you, Captain Obvious. Nothing you're saying is even touching on my point. Black folks are far more likely to vote D than R, so of course they're more likely to vote for Abrams than Kemp. But it's not because she's black. They'd also be more likely to vote for a white D candidate than Kemp.