Gubernatorial Race 2018 (health insurance, litigation, hospital)

[ronricks]

Originally Posted by JPD

1. Incorrect. She is paying her taxes through a payment plan. A fully legitimate and above-board means of paying taxes that is available to all taxpayers.

2. Not instead of. In addition to paying her taxes. That's strike two. I warned you about your swing.

3. You have a very poor imagination,

4. Granted. I had you mixed up with earlyfather and I have edited my edited post.

She has the means to pay it off and is running for political office paid by taxpayers. It is a horrible look no matter what you say. It looks awful. All taxpayers aren't running for political office so your point is meaningless.

[Beach Sportsfan]

Originally Posted by ronricks

She has the means to pay it off and is running for political office paid by taxpayers. It is a horrible look no matter what you say. It looks awful. All taxpayers aren't running for political office so your point is meaningless.

If this is the worse Kemp can paint her then she will be fine because the reality is that Kemp has way more things in his resume that look awful to most voters.

[MattCW]

The difference between Kemp and Abrams' respective debts is that tax debt is usually due to irresponsibility. The loan that Kemp is dealing with is an unfortunate part of business, a business that it appears he didn't have direct influence in the decisions of.

[AnsleyPark]

Debt is debt. At least Ms Abrams was helping a sick family member who, apparently, lacked the insurance to pay for treatment. I can certainly sympathize with her plight. As rondo cks said, though, neither is a perfect.

[Atlwarrior]

So why didn’t Carter run?

[Atlwarrior]

Originally Posted by AnsleyPark

Debt is debt. At least Ms Abrams was helping a sick family member who, apparently, lacked the insurance to pay for treatment. I can certainly sympathize with her plight. As rondo cks said, though, neither is a perfect.

Exactly people kill me as if they are perfect by selecting and approving of certain behaviors. I’m like Jesus he that is without sin cast the first stone. No party or candidate is perfect, but I surely like her Spelman and Yale background.

[bryantm3]

maybe this is just a millennial thing, but this whole debt thing... literally everybody i know my age is in debt of some kind. i don't know if boomers or even Xers understand what the economy is like for those of us who didn't really get started until after the recession. i have friends with grad school degrees in all kinds of debt having to work 2-3 jobs, even in their own field.




this thread is also full of dogwhistles and the implication here is that "black people are irresponsible with money and stacey abrams is no different"

[earthlyfather]

Indeed, you said exactly what you said, arbitrary No Secretary of state could arbitrarily kick people off the voting rolls., you know outside the law, without facing lawsuits. Georgia's voter roll clean up law is actually more generous than Ohio's, which was just recently upheld as lawful by The Supreme Court.

toll_booth Post #645

Unless you have a secretary of state who arbitrarily kicks people off the voting rolls.

Here is how I responded.

Originally Posted by earthlyfather View Post
There is a difference between arbitrary - not within the law - and acting within the law. Is Sec Kemp acting extra legally? I don't know, but you posit that he is. Which law is he violating?

Originally Posted by toll_booth

I never said such a thing, and you know it. Kemp may just be so incompetent as to have fallen asleep at the very job at which he's supposed to do well. But even so, intent is not necessary for someone to have committed a crime.

[toll_booth]

Originally Posted by earthlyfather

Indeed, you said exactly what you said, arbitrary No Secretary of state could arbitrarily kick people off the voting rolls., you know outside the law, without facing lawsuits. Georgia's voter roll clean up law is actually more generous than Ohio's, which was just recently upheld as lawful by The Supreme Court.

toll_booth Post #645

Here is how I responded.

You think the SC can be trusted to uphold voting rights these days??

[chiatldal]

Originally Posted by MattCW

The difference between Kemp and Abrams' respective debts is that tax debt is usually due to irresponsibility. The loan that Kemp is dealing with is an unfortunate part of business, a business that it appears he didn't have direct influence in the decisions of.

) Yeah that unfortunate part of business.................. is called failure and irresponsibility

People don't randomly become part of bad business discussions, He was part of and went a long with. The owner of investment company he failed to return the loan to said

“He’s the only person I ever dealt with,” Phillips said. “I loaned this money to Brian Kemp. I loaned it to Hart AgStrong at the request of Brian Kemp, and he personally guaranteed it.”

"Kemp sat in his Toccoa, Georgia, office and asked for a $500,000 loan so his company, Hart AgStrong LLC, could purchase raw canola seeds."

No one forced Kemp to do that, even if it wasn't his original discussion but some one else on his company board, it's his company it's under his leadership, and he went along with it. If he wasn't involved "which we know he was" would actually make it worst. Cause then he would be a non active manger and let his staff under him do anything including attract debt.