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You could do some simple research to find out what real Native Americans think about it. Some of the mascots, even if the names are not perjorative, are clearly racist in their depictions. https://www.voanews.com/a/native-ame...t/4230122.html
Some also object on the basis of honoring some fantasy Native American ideal while still trashing the lives and right of real Native Americans in this country today.
Nope African American but this is very similar to the "Black face" disaster..
I am simply tired of "America " telling folks what they should or should not accept.
Historically we have treated Native Americans horribly and now we get an attitude when they say "no more".
So again it doesn't matter what we ( white Americans) think about these mascots , it's their culture. We need to stop feeling that we can say anything and that everybody has to accept it with a smile.
They are not "whining" or trying to be disrespectful. They want a say in how they are portrayed
You could do some simple research to find out what real Native Americans think about it. Some of the mascots, even if the names are not perjorative, are clearly racist in their depictions. https://www.voanews.com/a/native-ame...t/4230122.html
Some also object on the basis of honoring some fantasy Native American ideal while still trashing the lives and right of real Native Americans in this country today.
are you a native american?? Do you actually know what goes into being a native american warrior??
LOL you really have the nerve to mention "forcing one's will" on some one. After centuries of white America brutally subjecting native Americans and literally killing their culture, I feel that they have EARNED the right to take offense to any use of their identity.
So may I suggest that if America wants "respect" they start acknowledging that they were the ones that did their best to wipe out an entire civilization not to mention the enslavement on an entire other group of humans.
lol,
Now you (general use in the place of white america) are getting a taste of your own medicine and want to cry "stop" it. boo hoo
The native Americans want their cultural identification in their control. they have that right.
Talk to me after we get a sports team called the New York Honkies then we'll chat.
You forget, or perhaps never knew due to media brainwashing, that it's a tiny minority of Native Americans who choose to be offended.
I am aware of US history. When one culture invades another, bad things often happen. Sometimes it's the more technically advanced one that wins, sometimes it's the more primitive barbaric (talking about the modern invasion of Europe now, not NA) that chews up "civilization" and spits it out.
EVERYONE held slaves. If you think the US was bad, look at South America. Typically African slaves were just worked to death there. There was a broad spectrum of treatment in the US, from family-like to nasty.
Let me repeat: EVERYONE held slaves. African tribes, Mideast Arabians, Chinese, Indians, everyone everywhere.
New York Honkies? Sounds fine to me. Why don't you use your power and influence to talk to the Top Dogs at NYY and Make It So, Number One.
I think it is important to also recognize that not all Native Americans are the same. They don't all speak 'Indian' and live in teepees. Within that title there is a diverse culture with at least 57 language families in North America alone.
In the South East US the Tomahawk Chop is as big of a sports thing as the Haka has become in European football. FSU Seminoles open games with it, and the Atlanta Braves baseball team also use it, and so do the Kansas City Chiefs.
The Eastern Band of Cherokee used to make the tomahawks fans used at the Braves games. I still remember seeing former chief, Ed Taylor, saying the tribe was laughing all the way to the bank.
You could do some simple research to find out what real Native Americans think about it. Some of the mascots, even if the names are not perjorative, are clearly racist in their depictions. https://www.voanews.com/a/native-ame...t/4230122.html
Some also object on the basis of honoring some fantasy Native American ideal while still trashing the lives and right of real Native Americans in this country today.
Otowi, it wouldn't matter if they read your article, or mine, or heard it from the mouths of a thousand American Indians. They think it's fine to do whatever they want no matter who it offends or hurts.
You could do some simple research to find out what real Native Americans think about it. Some of the mascots, even if the names are not perjorative, are clearly racist in their depictions. https://www.voanews.com/a/native-ame...t/4230122.html
Some also object on the basis of honoring some fantasy Native American ideal while still trashing the lives and right of real Native Americans in this country today.
Some act as if the Lakota way is the only way, and anything an alleged Lakota says is the final word. It may be so for Lakota, but what Lakotas think is not the final word on what all Indians think. That would be like claiming that what Russians think is the final word on what all Caucasians think; or, what a Zulu thinks is the final word on what all African descendants think. Regardless of race, to project that mindset is vain, and is stupid.
There are tribes in Washington state that can complain about the Washington Redskins. There are tribes in Florida that can complain about the FSU Seminoles. There are state recognized tribes, as well as Federally recognized tribes, but more importantly, tribes that are recognized by the National Tribal Council in and around Georgia that can complain about the Atlanta Braves. They don't.
Aside from the economic considerations of some tribes, that would hurt those tribes should those economic considerations be removed from them, if a tribal warriors spirit of war cannot be remembered on a sports field, does that mean it should not be remembered at all?
Would it really be preferable for other groups on this tiny planet to think of casinos and saloonkeepers when they think of Native Americans? In my opinion that is a far worse image of Native America than a victorious ball team could ever be.
If you remove the image of the Indian warrior from the masses by removing it from ball teams, what image do you believe remains if not that of saloonkeepers?
Reality is sports teams are looking for the strongest and best symbols to represent their teams. You never see the Philadelphia Pansies, or the Washington Wussies. You see Vikings, Celtics, Patriots, Pirates, Steel workers, Bears, Wolves, Eagles to name a few. All strong and fierce. Native Americans should not be included as something viewed as strong and fierce?
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The US Army traditionally names their helicopters after Native American tribes (Apache, Iroquois, Cheyenne, Lakota, etc.). Haven't heard too much fuss over that one.
The LEFT sees the world as Oppressors and Oppressed. And if they can't find any, they will manufacture an issue to claim oppression.
Just laugh at them until they get tired.
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