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Old 05-16-2017, 07:45 AM
 
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What angers me most about Woodruff is they are not prospectively fixing the issue when new businesses go in. Five Forks ... I don't even try to go on Woodruff AT ALL certain times of day and it could be so much more streamlined had they build in side roads and limited access to clusters of stores during new development. There are plenty of existing stores that could benefit from same. The new Lowes and developments have created more gridlock.


Roper Mountain is terrible as a bypass and I imagine the upscale residential will serve to keep it from being widened.

There is no way around on the south short of going Butler to 385 (but new development near five forks has made Butler to Jonesville gridlock, too). or 417 to main to 385.

The other day I went from Academy Sports, turned Left caught Roper Mtn to 385 so I could get to Butler cussing at the redneck who saw my turn signal to move from the 85 exit only lane to 385 lanes and gunned his engines so he could pass me on the left so he could cut in front of me to get on 85 (rather than just letting me move over and taking my place)

Saturday. Forget it. Rush hour. Forget it. Woodruff needs fixing badly. and more unplanned development is not helping.
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Old 05-16-2017, 12:49 PM
 
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Woodruff is really beyond fixing at this point. You would have to move millions of dollars worth of real estate to install frontage roads and limit access in any meaningful way.

To really prevent the Woodruff Road kind of mess, you have to have some type of effective planning mechanism. Any time you try to regulate growth in this area, people accuse you of being a socialist yankee (my ancestry is 100% southern, almost all from the Carolinas).

We've repeated the same exact mistake on Clemson Boulevard and US123 through Easley. Both could have used planning to more effectively handle traffic and prevent gridlock. Instead, they allow unregulated growth and for every business to have a curb cut and direct road access. SC 153 in Powdersville isn't bad yet but will probably have the same problem in another 10 years.
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Old 05-16-2017, 02:43 PM
 
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Woodruff is really beyond fixing at this point. You would have to move millions of dollars worth of real estate to install frontage roads and limit access in any meaningful way.

To really prevent the Woodruff Road kind of mess, you have to have some type of effective planning mechanism. Any time you try to regulate growth in this area, people accuse you of being a socialist yankee (my ancestry is 100% southern, almost all from the Carolinas).

We've repeated the same exact mistake on Clemson Boulevard and US123 through Easley. Both could have used planning to more effectively handle traffic and prevent gridlock. Instead, they allow unregulated growth and for every business to have a curb cut and direct road access. SC 153 in Powdersville isn't bad yet but will probably have the same problem in another 10 years.
It seems like a handful of requirements could be put into action that could make some difference. There doesn't seem to be the vision or knowledge to implement this within cities and counties though.

-Not sure about frontage roads, only Texas has these on highways. But do require adjacent parking lots to have connections so that traffic doesn't have to re-enter the main road
-Reduce curb cut outs
-Put in (gasp!) medians instead of suicide lanes everywhere; the suicide lanes go hand-in-hand with unregulated access to the main road
-Sidewalks and setbacks for not only pedestrians but also driver safety; i.e keeping unobscured driver views when pulling out into roadway
-Mandated traffic studies for large developments
-Right-in-right-out entrances to businesses
-Right-in turn lanes for large developments
-Reduce traffic lights with SPUI's; expenseive, but again - have a vision!
-Reduce traffic backups with underpasses; expensive but they do exist elsewhere in the developed world for a good reason - and again - why not have a vision!
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Old 05-16-2017, 04:56 PM
 
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I will say I am liking the traffic circle at Lee Vaughn and Woodruff more than I thought I would.

What I don't know is that the last I saw that corner was approved for a grocery store then I heard nothing else since.
It was bought from Food Lion by Ryland Properties............after the plan was approved for a grocery store.

Honestly we could use something at that location and it would probably pull in business from Spartanburg County. We desparately need a home improvement store more than we need another grocery store in the 5 forks area.

I am cringing at the Dollar General monstrosity that is going up across from the business formerly known as Billy's THAT is totally not needed with one right across the line in Spartanburg County.
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Old 05-18-2017, 03:58 PM
 
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Woodruff is really beyond fixing at this point. You would have to move millions of dollars worth of real estate to install frontage roads and limit access in any meaningful way.

To really prevent the Woodruff Road kind of mess, you have to have some type of effective planning mechanism. Any time you try to regulate growth in this area, people accuse you of being a socialist yankee (my ancestry is 100% southern, almost all from the Carolinas).

We've repeated the same exact mistake on Clemson Boulevard and US123 through Easley. Both could have used planning to more effectively handle traffic and prevent gridlock. Instead, they allow unregulated growth and for every business to have a curb cut and direct road access. SC 153 in Powdersville isn't bad yet but will probably have the same problem in another 10 years.
True that. I don't get the idea of throwing everything on one road. And Clemson Blvd gets get many day visitors from Georgia and Pickens/Oconee. Woodruff gets many visitors from pretty much all over the region.

A 2nd Krispy Kreme on Woodruff, a 2nd Fresh Market. And apparently Topgolf is looking at Woodruff. Nowhere better? Last time I heard, Hollywood 20 is the busiest theater in the Carolinas. That should tell you how busy that area is when Charlotte and Raleigh are much larger.

That said, complaining about Woodruff is moot at this point. Maybe some stuff will begin to move back to Laurens Rd once that new project is finished. And Powdersville is definitely headed that way if they don't put up a better master plan soon. That is where most of Anderon's growth is occuring. The 153/85 ramp intersection definitely needs traffic lights, and Greenridge does too.
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Old 05-18-2017, 10:52 PM
 
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Lidl opening first US stores on 6/15. And the Upstate stores are on the list in the link. Lidl: First U.S. stores opening June 15
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Old 05-19-2017, 07:21 AM
 
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The 153/85 ramp intersection definitely needs traffic lights, and Greenridge does too.
They added a light for the ramp coming off of I-85 Northbound. I don't think the I-85 Southbound ramp to SC 153 really needs a light. What it needs is a redesign of how the side streets there interact. They need to remove the ability to immediately turn left onto the frontage road that serves Burger King / Cracker Barrel. People frequently come to a dead stop at the top of the ramp hoping to move across traffic to immediately turn, which backs up the off ramp. They also need to rework the frontage road on that side because people turning left off of that frontage road can't find an opening, which results in them pulling out across traffic, creating a hazard. Ideally, the frontage road on both sides would be reworked to run behind the businesses, and then pulled down to a traffic light where the Arbys is located. You would then remove the direct access to SC 153 for the businesses in that short stretch and make them accessible only through the frontage road. The small business that sells granite should be purchased for right of way. This would also allow the off ramp to be widened to two lanes and made to more gradually make the turn and merge the traffic.

Sadly, no effort is being made to control growth there. They are building a new Holiday Inn there which looks like it will have direct access to SC 153 right adjacent to the I-85 intersection. This will only make things worse.

Much of SC-153 already has frontage roads built in. These should be further expanded and utilized to be the only access for the businesses along SC-153. Access to SC-153 would then be through the existing traffic lights.
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Old 05-19-2017, 08:05 AM
 
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This is still the Supermarket and Grocery Store thread isn't it and not the road improvement thread. Anyone got any new grocery news? LOL. Thanks Paddiewhack for the Lidl news. Looking forward.
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Old 05-19-2017, 09:26 AM
 
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Lidl opening first US stores on 6/15. And the Upstate stores are on the list in the link. Lidl: First U.S. stores opening June 15
Walmart is very concerned about Lidl and Aldi, which I think is going to be a game changer in the US supermarket industry.

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Price wars are roiling the entire retail sector - from department stores to discount chains - but it is nowhere as intense as in the grocery sector. Beyond Wal-Mart's move to match Aldi on price, German discount chain Lidl plans to open up to a 100 U.S. stores in a year, and Amazon.com Inc (AMZN.O) is aggressively testing out various brick-and-mortar grocery formats along with growing Amazon Fresh, its grocery delivery service.
Exclusive: Aldi raises stakes in U.S. price war with Wal-Mart | Reuters
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Old 05-21-2017, 10:44 AM
 
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Default Ingle's #74, 6605 White Horse Road, Greenville, South Carolina 29611-2539

I heard the site of the new Ingle's #74 at the northeast corner of White Horse Road and Berea Drive is being cleared and graded. The new store would replace the existing store 74 at 6605 White Horse Road, Greenville, South Carolina 29611-2539.
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