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"Special cases"? Lol. It's amazing how many there are, right?
When I was a kid I developed scoliosis (spinal curvature) that required three years wearing a body brace that had to be fitted regularly as I grew (no female bracing technicians available) and regular visits to an orthopaedic surgeon (no female ones available). He performed the spinal fusion surgery on me that saved my life... but that point, there was pressure on my heart and lungs from the progressive deformity of my spine and ribcage. Should I have just gone without medical treatment? Male doctors save lives, you know, they aren't just hobbyists.
Look at my past posts in this thread. I discuss this very issue. You are probably older and come from a time when women doctors weren't as common. Therefore, your only option was to have a male doctor so you had to justify that it was okay without reason.
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Your mileage may vary if you're in a city with tons of female medical specialists, such that no female patient ever needs to be seen naked by a male doctor. But really, it's strange discrimination against male medical specialists.
Should heterosexual female nurses be banned from working with nude male patients?
I never said anything about banning. What I said applies to women healthcare professionals with male patients as well.
It's not a strange discrimination at all. All over the world women are seperated from men in certain situations. Would you change infront of a random man? Would you go to a male for a bikini wax? Would you be naked infront a male masseuse? Would you be measured for a bra by a man?
I would say the majority of women in the US who are comfortable with a male doctor seeing them naked would do none of the above. That shows that they are being inconsistent and there is nothing strange about applying this same standard to male doctors as other males in different professions.
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I honestly don't believe that adult men all think that way. Sorry. I just don't believe that. You might rationalize the normality of a one-track mind by claiming that 100% of men think exactly the same way. But clearly. most of them find other things to think about too.
I am a man, I know many many men. The vast majority of them think that way. It is simply biology. Natural selection has selected for men who find naked women visually appealing.
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Lol. Wow. What if they're gay, or just not pervs?
That wouldn't change most women's opinions in the above circumstances I mentioned.
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Routine probably to protect the doctors from false claims of improper behaviour. The only times I've heard of doctors being investigated for improper behaviour, none of them were even OBGYNs.
But why only male doctors and why only female nurses. Shouldn't women be equally likely to be investigated for malpractice if what you say is true? I could show you hundreds of cases.
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If you imagine that OBGYN waiting rooms are packed with hotties around 21 years old, you'd be completely wrong. Young women don't go to OBGYNs much, except maybe to get a prescription for the pill, and they don't need a pelvic exam for that. Pregnant women tend to be older now, and women with STDs and menopause/post-menopause health issues can be in any physical condition.
Did you read what I wrote?
[quote]There actually are unisex (family) bathrooms. I've been to public pools where kids changed and showered in the ladies' change area. If you go to some countries, men and women take saunas together nude. The entire world isn't under gender apartheid.
If some women are completely fine being naked in front of random men and going to male bikini waxers and males for nude massages then I would fully expect them to be fine going to a male gynecologist. I just am under impression that the vast majority of US women aren't.
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It doesn't bother most women whether or not their OBGYN is male or female.
It bothers about 50 percent of young women enough that they actively avoid male gynecologists.
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Why does it bother you so much? Isn't it a women's issue, and up to women to decide if they're comfortable with it or not? Why do they need you to condemn it?
I am simply pointing out flaws in people's thinking. It doesn't bother me if it isn't my girlfriend or women close to me.
People have to do what they're comfortable with, but doctors' brains seem to see be trained to see the world differently with these kinds of issues.
What gives you that idea? What brain training class do doctors take in med school. People always put doctors on such a pedestal when they are really just normal people.
What gives you that idea? What brain training class do doctors take in med school. People always put doctors on such a pedestal when they are really just normal people.
Doctors are usually very, very good at separating their personal lives and feelings with their work as a doctor. It is different. Nurses often can do this too.
Doctors are usually very, very good at separating their personal lives and feelings with their work as a doctor. It is different. Nurses often can do this too.
I cannot believe this thread and I am in my late 60's. My first OBGYN was an older woman who was the only female in her graduating class. She was rough and very uncaring. The OBGYN, who delivered both my children including a vaginal breach birth and my ruptured ectopic, was male and the total opposite of the female OBGYN. Can you get any more intimate than a breach vaginal childbirth> He literally put his hands inside of me to take out my daughter. He was more concerned about a living child being born than getting any "thrills".
I worked with severe special needs children and adults, both males and females. Cannot count how many diapers I have changed including males with erect penises and females with periods. It is not SEXUAL whatsoever. You are doing this to care for those who cannot care for themselves. You've seen one penis or vagina and you have seen them all. You may as well be changing spark plugs. It gets totally routine for the act. The caring part is all that matters.
Women should see doctors of whichever gender they are comfortable with and not have to explain it to anyone. The same goes for men. Fortunately both men and women can usually have their choice for at least planned medical procedures. Emergency rooms are a different matter but most of the time we are not dealing with emergency room scenarios. The other exception is operating rooms where you may have chosen the gender of your doctor but few have any control over the gender of residents or anesthesiologists that might be present.
The issue is more one of nursing and tech staff which are 90% or thereabouts female. Women are all but assured that their intimate care will be handled by females, and if a male nurse or tech is assigned to her, she can ask and almost always receive a female nurse or tech without question. Men on the other hand generally have no choice but to have intimate care & procedures with female nurses and techs. Nurses & techs are much more professional in this regard now than was the case long ago, but that does not make it comfortable for many men.
What gives you that idea? What brain training class do doctors take in med school. People always put doctors on such a pedestal when they are really just normal people.
OBGYNs regularly treat women with STDs, what's so sexually hot about that? They treat elderly women, they perform hysterectomies, and fibroid and polyp removals, they perform tubal ligations, they do uterine ablations and biopsies, they treat miscarriages, and they order testing that has nothing to do with any in-office pelvic exam, so they sit and talk about problems with patients in an office...
What's sexually stimulating about examining and treating pathologies and diseases of the reproductive system?
Are you aware that when women have a pelvic exam they aren't actually 100% buck naked? They keep their top half covered? And they wear oversized puffy booties on their feet while they're in the stirrups? Is that a sexy outfit to men? Really?
Why have you sidestepped the fact that lots of other medical specialties involve seeing women naked? Why the focus on OBGYNs as particularly offensive to you?
I prefer a woman doc for female things. They are going to understand a lot better than a male doctor will. Would a man prefer a male or female doctor for prostate issues?
OBGYNs regularly treat women with STDs, what's so sexually hot about that? They treat elderly women, they perform hysterectomies, and fibroid and polyp removals, they perform tubal ligations, they do uterine ablations and biopsies, they treat miscarriages, and they order testing that has nothing to do with any in-office pelvic exam, so they sit and talk about problems with patients in an office...
What's sexually stimulating about examining and treating pathologies and diseases of the reproductive system?
Are you aware that when women have a pelvic exam they aren't actually 100% buck naked? They keep their top half covered? And they wear oversized puffy booties on their feet while they're in the stirrups? Is that a sexy outfit to men? Really?
Why have you sidestepped the fact that lots of other medical specialties involve seeing women naked? Why the focus on OBGYNs as particularly offensive to you?
Obgyns also regularly examin healthy attractive women. I fail to see your point. Any doctor is going to have to treat diseases, male obgyns just have the perk of getting to look at attractive women naked a lot of the time.
Yes, I am fully aware of everything you said. Are you aware that a medical fetish is a relatively common thing? There are full forums that discuss such things and there are many doctors and nurses on these forums.
I haven't sidestepped anything, I discussed that above.
If a women has a choice between a female doctor and a male doctor to treat an issue in a sensitive area, why on earth should they logically choose
1) The doctor that doesn't have the same organs as them to allow them to understand what having these parts feels like.
2) The doctor that is FAR more likely to be sexually attracted to the patient and have inappropriate thoughts about the patient.
3) The doctor that is FAR more likely to do something inappropriate such as sexual assault or something else illegal to the patient.
4) The doctor that is most likely going to need to have another person, a female nurse, in the room in order to make sure they don't do something weird or creepy.
The only reasons that I can think of for a woman choosing a male doctor for such examinations over a female is
1) They get sexual pleasure from the experience and thinking about it.
2) They have a problem with women in positions of power.
3) They don't like being talked down to by a woman and prefer to be talked down to by a man.
4) They have no other option.
5) They are clueless.
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