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Every single country protects their workers. Why are we supposed to be different because Mexicans want to send their underclass here? Foreign nationals are not entitled to circumvent our laws. They're also not entitled to certain protections including the right to vote.
The old "if everyone jumped off a bridge...." comes to mind here. The reason why the laws should be changed is because they make economic sense, protectionism and parochialism is economically damaging.
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And why would Floridians want to allow that? Or most other Americans? Why would we want to import foreign nationals who don't speak English to come here and take American jobs? That's not rational.
There is no such thing as an "American job" there are only jobs, that can be filled by anyone. What do you think happened to all those "American textile worker jobs"? Did they magically become "Chinese textile worker jobs" out of sheer willpower? No. The jobs moved from America to China because the wages were lower for low skilled jobs. A firefighter job in Florida isn't inherently "American" and more than a textile job was before. If the owner of the fire fighting place wants to hire a Chinese fire fighter I can't see why that would be physically impossible. The same goes with a Indian or a Chinese firm who wants to hire an American manager. There isn't anything physically impossible about that.
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You realize that most Chinese live in very tiny wages that border starvation? Why would Americans want to lower our standard of living to compete with the third world? Let alone allow the third world to come here?
Well it isn't a matter of "wanting to lower our standards". If a person in China can do the same job as adequately as an American for less pay the job will go to him in some way though outsourcing or wholesale moving of industries. What Americans want is irrelevant. It is what is economically possible.
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And why are we supposed to put low skilled Americans out of work? We have enough poor people. We don't need to import anymore just to make college kids feel good.
No we are supposed to hire the best person for the job or rather let each employer hire who he thinks is the best person for the job.
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Go ahead. Increase YOUR taxes, crowd YOUR schools, degrade YOUR environment, learn sixty different languages to accommodate their need to have children they cannot support.
Just don't ask me to do the same thing.
Which is perfectly reasonable. I see that you are now in favor of letting people hire illegal aliens. Bravo.
The old "if everyone jumped off a bridge...." comes to mind here. The reason why the laws should be changed is because they make economic sense, protectionism and parochialism is economically damaging.
We don't need to open American jobs to every single foreign national who wants to move here anymore than we need to allow six year olds in the labor force.
Your definition of parochialism is hand out people's livelihoods out and then criticize them when they argue in their own self interest. Color me unimpressed.
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There is no such thing as an "American job" there are only jobs, that can be filled by anyone. What do you think happened to all those "American textile worker jobs"? Did they magically become "Chinese textile worker jobs" out of sheer willpower? No. The jobs moved from America to China because the wages were lower for low skilled jobs. A firefighter job in Florida isn't inherently "American" and more than a textile job was before. If the owner of the fire fighting place wants to hire a Chinese fire fighter I can't see why that would be physically impossible. The same goes with a Indian or a Chinese firm who wants to hire an American manager. There isn't anything physically impossible about that.
You're comparing apples and oranges.
The textile industry has little in common with firefighting. Why would anyone want to hire someone Chinese who does not speak English? How is that going to benefit Americans?
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Well it isn't a matter of "wanting to lower our standards". If a person in China can do the same job as adequately as an American for less pay the job will go to him in some way though outsourcing or wholesale moving of industries. What Americans want is irrelevant. It is what is economically possible.
Again apples and oranges. There's a huge difference between an industry moving overseas and allowing foreign nationals to come here, bid wages down on jobs and then demand the American taxpayer hand him welfare and educate his kids in a foreign language.
But go ahead and campaign for public office on that notion. You won't get elected dogcatcher.
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No we are supposed to hire the best person for the job or rather let each employer hire who he thinks is the best person for the job.
And if the employer thinks this is a six year old? Or wants to ask the worker to work without safety equipment? Or work twenty hours a day? What then? Should he be allowed to get away with it? Employers don't operate in a vacuum. They can't just do whatever they want even if illegal immigration advocates love that idea.
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Which is perfectly reasonable. I see that you are now in favor of letting people hire illegal aliens. Bravo.
Raised taxes, overcrowded schools, decreased air quality, weakened labor laws -- are all reasonable to you? Just so Latin America's overclass can avoid their civic responsibilities?
The Mexican national's sentence should have been commuted NOT because of his Mexican citizenship, but because Texas broke international law ( and a very important law), he could have been from any country and likewise you should expect the same international laws hopefully apply to you if you ever get arrested in another country.
If I went to live permanently in another country, I would actually expect I should live under the same laws as everyone else in that country and not be given special treatment.
When it comes to getting some big blanket amnesty, illegals will claim they ARE under the jurisdiction of the USA but when it comes to other laws, they want to be given special treatment. Suddenly their own country matters to them, even though they rejected it as a place to live.
If I went to live permanently in another country, I would actually expect I should live under the same laws as everyone else in that country and not be given special treatment.
When it comes to getting some big blanket amnesty, illegals will claim they ARE under the jurisdiction of the USA but when it comes to other laws, they want to be given special treatment. Suddenly their own country matters to them, even though they rejected it as a place to live.
This is irrelevant to the case at hand. There is no time limit to when international law should or should not apply and in this case it should have applied.
This is irrelevant to the case at hand. There is no time limit to when international law should or should not apply and in this case it should have applied.
Screw international law. We have our Constitution and our American including our American state's laws. If you don't agree with our laws, leave.
We have not yet replaced the Constitution of the USA as our Law.
And Mexico cannot command the State of Texas to feed and house it's killers for the rest of their miserable lives. All Mexico can do is offer to take back it's illegals. Mexico does not rule over the USA nor does some international court.
We don't need to open American jobs to every single foreign national who wants to move here anymore than we need to allow six year olds in the labor force.
You still haven't said why you don't need to, and I'm not suggesting we do open every American job to every single foreign national, but you still haven't explained why allowing more freedom of movement for labor and skilled workers would be economically harmful to people. I'm not talking about specific people, I'm talking about overall.
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Your definition of parochialism is hand out people's livelihoods out and then criticize them when they argue in their own self interest. Color me unimpressed.
Not at all. Where did I mention handouts? I'm perfectly happy to limit subsidies from those who haven't paid into the or a system. I think its more of a problem that Americans are so concerned about handouts from the governments than being afraid of working hard in order to out compete other people.
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You're comparing apples and oranges.
The textile industry has little in common with firefighting. Why would anyone want to hire someone Chinese who does not speak English? How is that going to benefit Americans?
I'm telling you that there is no such thing as an AMERICAN job. There are only jobs, which can be filled by whomever the employer thinks will do best. If the employer wants to hire ONLY Americans because he thinks they can do better, then that could be an option, but what happens when someone from another place is better than an American at a job?
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Again apples and oranges. There's a huge difference between an industry moving overseas and allowing foreign nationals to come here, bid wages down on jobs and then demand the American taxpayer hand him welfare and educate his kids in a foreign language.
There is that concern about other people getting your hand outs again. You should probably be more concerned about WHY you are so concerned about free handouts than other people working here. and no outsourcing and immigration are two sides of the same coin. One ( outsourcing) is the capital ( or company) moving to the worker and immigration is the the worker moving the company.
The reason there are far fewer textile jobs in America because in reality American and Chinese workers were in the same job pool, the Chinese workers bid lower wages and the company chose Chinese workers but since they couldn't bring enough Chinese workers here they moved to China. Either way Chinese workers outbid American workers, in the same way that foreign nationals who want to do the same jobs here outbid American workers. The company just stays here instead of moving to where ever the workers are.
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But go ahead and campaign for public office on that notion. You won't get elected dogcatcher.
This seems to be an odd notion. You tell me I am free to do what I want, but that I have to run in a popularity contest just to be able to do what I want with my money? Seems like a strange way of doing things.
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And if the employer thinks this is a six year old? Or wants to ask the worker to work without safety equipment? Or work twenty hours a day? What then? Should he be allowed to get away with it? Employers don't operate in a vacuum. They can't just do whatever they want even if illegal immigration advocates love that idea.
slippery sloping now. So if we allow more people to compete for jobs we'll all end up working in slave shops? How did we get to an 8 hour work day or banning child labor? It definitively wasn't by limiting the workforce. During those progressive labor achievements the labor market was growing by leaps and bounds.
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Raised taxes, overcrowded schools, decreased air quality, weakened labor laws -- are all reasonable to you? Just so Latin America's overclass can avoid their civic responsibilities?
You forgot nuclear war, genocide, plague, and frogs raining from the sky. It does seem odd how people slip into a socialist mindset rather quickly speaking of the bourgeoisie ( over class) and "their civic responsibilities". What responsibilities does this over class have over the "lower classes" and what responsibilties does the American over class have over "American lower classes"? This seems to me like a lot of socialism.
Screw international law. We have our Constitution and our American including our American state's laws. If you don't agree with our laws, leave.
We have not yet replaced the Constitution of the USA as our Law.
I'm not exactly sure if you know the purpose of international law. It isn't to supplant national or state law but to provide a framework for equality between States and international exchange. International law plays a huge importance when Americans go to other countries. Think about it for a second. If you go to another country would you enjoy being arrested without access to consular services who know the country better than you? Why do you think that if you travel abroad in any kind of business capacity they tell you that the first thing you should do if arrested is contact the embassy?
And Mexico cannot command the State of Texas to feed and house it's killers for the rest of their miserable lives. All Mexico can do is offer to take back it's illegals. Mexico does not rule over the USA nor does some international court.
No, but it is good common sense to do that. Should an American arrested in Mexico be given fair treatment? Or should he be singled out because of his nationality to be deprived of food and water? The purpose of international law isn't to tell lord over Texas state law but to provide protection for Texas residents when they travel to Mexico as well.
I'm not exactly sure if you know the purpose of international law. It isn't to supplant national or state law but to provide a framework for equality between States and international exchange. International law plays a huge importance when Americans go to other countries. Think about it for a second. If you go to another country would you enjoy being arrested without access to consular services who know the country better than you? Why do you think that if you travel abroad in any kind of business capacity they tell you that the first thing you should do if arrested is contact the embassy?
If I'm a traveler - then yes. If I decide to relocate permanently in another country, then I believe I should be held to the same laws as everyone else in that country.
This illegal rapist/killer had no intention of ever living in his country again. He should have realized that Texas is a death penalty state.
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