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Old 12-25-2018, 09:45 PM
 
Location: Florida
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That means you will need to hire more ICE officers and agents to enforce that.

But how are you going to enforce that when sanctuary states like Cali created law to prohibited Cali public and private businesses from cooperating with ICE?


and remember Abolish ICE movement from the pro open border crowd?
Actually, you don't have to hire ICE. Best thing to do is follow the money, and I bet a good IRS audit of some of these companies will find tons of fraud going on. Everytime they hire an illegal, these employers are also getting out of having to pay their end of social security, medicaid/medicare and federal taxes.

 
Old 12-25-2018, 09:49 PM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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And you know all of this about us? How? We don't want to curb illegal immigration? Really? We want more welfare dependents? (They can't qualify for welfare anyway.)

They are a drain on our educational system though and they do take jobs away. Their kids will grow up and not want to pick the crops so they will be taking more good American jobs away. But you think we want this.

The truth is, we think there are better ways of keeping them out than building a wall. Maybe some wall, some fence, some border control, a lot of e-verify. Maybe a lot more information in their home countries telling them that the streets here are not pave with gold. Maybe more cooperation with Mexico to find jobs for them in Mexico where they already speak the language and where there may be jobs for them building the new railroad that is supposed to be starting.

Nope, a Wall (yes a physical, nearly impenetrable barrier), extra border security and enhanced technology, and a change of some of our laws along with e-verify along with State and federal prosecution will help curb this.

Just strengthening e-verify does next to nothing (and democrats know this). They know that illegals will come over here for the welfare (free food, housing, education and medical care) to the tune of 300-500k new illegals per year. They know that illegals will have children and abuse our 13th amendment laws, and/or take advantage of DACA to get more welfare. Illegal immigrants know they can hide out in sanctuary cities (Democrat strong holds) to avoid prosecution (Even if they commit a violent felony) and deportation.


Liberal Democrats want illegals here to strengthen their base even if it means everyone else suffers for it--they simply don't care. Democrats are heavily dependent on the votes of the poor and uneducated (check the exit polls for the Presidential and midterms--the poor and least educated overwhelmingly support Democrats). They want to expand this base.
 
Old 12-25-2018, 09:54 PM
 
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Just strengthening e-verify does next to nothing (and democrats know this).
Anyone who refuses to try a tough e-verify mandate before spending billions of dollars on a wall, with penalties that involve prison time in order to remove their incentives for coming, is not serious about wanting to stem the flow of undocumented workers. It's that simple.
 
Old 12-25-2018, 09:57 PM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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Anyone who refuses to try a tough e-verify, with penalties that involve prison time to take away their reasons for coming, before spending billions of dollars on a wall, are not serious about wanting to stem the flow of undocumented workers. It's that simple.
Nope. The Wall prevents illegals from coming over and abusing entitlements--it's really that simple. They aren't here to "work", most are here for welfare. Any Democrat thinking a few computer checks will keep people from physically entering the country (at the border) and having babies (after they cross the border) and signing up for services isn't serious about stopping illegal immigration.
 
Old 12-26-2018, 12:06 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Seriously, the wall is going to cost a ****-ton and it's not gonna be that effective. There are already plenty of walls and monitoring throughout the border area and people still get through. And you can't make it triple barbed wire with land mines and machine gun towers - which would be effective, by the way, as was shown by the Soviet Union back in the day.

Instead, you should all be focusing on employment verification. If you don't want the Central Americans to come, then deny them employment. Make employment verification serious business and enforce that. Why are you not up in arms about the fact that e-verify is not mandatory nationwide? There are some bills for it now in the works.

The dirty secret is that while Trump supporter types talk tough about the border, many don't talk very tough about illegals working in certain jobs. Same farmer who votes for Trump is happy to hire illegals, because he knows they're extra cheap and can be squeezed like lemons - and who are they going to complain to? And same consumer who votes for Trump is happy to buy cheap produce at the supermarket. Make e-verify mandatory everywhere (and beef up enforcement & penalties), force the farmers to hire Americans at boosted wages, and we all get ready to pay more for groceries. Ditto in other industries. Easy. Would cost serious cash, but it would be more effective.

But no...we have to look the other way on that and fixate on this wall thing...
Get rid of the welfare state. Problem solved.
 
Old 12-26-2018, 12:08 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Nope. The Wall prevents illegals from coming over and abusing entitlements--it's really that simple. They aren't here to "work", most are here for welfare. Any Democrat thinking a few computer checks will keep people from physically entering the country (at the border) and having babies (after they cross the border) and signing up for services isn't serious about stopping illegal immigration.
You're so close to the answer......on what we should do, instead of the wall.
 
Old 12-26-2018, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Nope. The Wall prevents illegals from coming over and abusing entitlements--it's really that simple. They aren't here to "work", most are here for welfare. Any Democrat thinking a few computer checks will keep people from physically entering the country (at the border) and having babies (after they cross the border) and signing up for services isn't serious about stopping illegal immigration.
People have grabbed hold of the wall as a simple solution, we already have over 600 miles and it hasn't stopped immigration. Illegal immigration is tremendously complicated and wont be resolved by simply adding more wall, if it worked we wouldn't be talking right now. Using a solution from centuries ago wont work and please don't use Israel as a success story.
 
Old 12-26-2018, 06:47 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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If anybody was serious about stopping illegal immigration, they'd prosecute employers who hire them.

But we all know that'll never happen on any large scale.
There’s reasons why only a handful of states have mandated e-Verify.

There’s reasons why these state mandates have intended loopholes.

Seems there is no shortage of folk who don’t seem think about, let alone, care about the legal status of the people in the kitchen or bussing tables, cleaning toilets, roofing homes, installing dry wall, packing their meat, harvesting crops, mowing the grass, plowing driveways, minding the children and so on.

Politicians of all stripes often seem to be a reflection of the people who elected them.
 
Old 12-26-2018, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Anyone who refuses to try a tough e-verify mandate before spending billions of dollars on a wall, with penalties that involve prison time in order to remove their incentives for coming, is not serious about wanting to stem the flow of undocumented workers. It's that simple.
I hear you..

I also know there has been inadequate support by both parties for an e-Verify mandate- no exceptions. Way too many benefit off cheap labor.
 
Old 12-26-2018, 07:14 AM
 
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I hear you..

I also know there has been inadequate support by both parties for an e-Verify mandate- no exceptions. Way too many benefit off cheap labor.
It is not just cheap labor, it is labor that won't "complain". Being in the USA illegally means deportation if caught. A worker will put up with anything in order to stay employed and in the USA. A U.S. citizen or a legal resident won't put up with certain workplace abuses. Someone who is here illegally won't speak up for fear of being found by the authorities.
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