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Old 12-26-2018, 10:30 AM
 
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If there are no jobs for undocumented persons, you’ll get far fewer undocumented persons entering the country.

Congress has always known this. Cronyism is why they do nothing about it.
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Old 12-26-2018, 10:37 AM
 
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If there are no jobs for undocumented persons, you’ll get far fewer undocumented persons entering the country.

Congress has always known this. Cronyism is why they do nothing about it.
They come here because there are jobs that will go unfilled without them.
 
Old 12-26-2018, 10:39 AM
 
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If there are no jobs for undocumented persons, you’ll get far fewer undocumented persons entering the country.

Congress has always known this. Cronyism is why they do nothing about it.
Easy as that. If there are no benefits available to illegals, the less likely they are to come.
 
Old 12-26-2018, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Denver
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Democrats like the votes \.
Illegals can't vote.

When are people going to stop repeating this lie?
 
Old 12-26-2018, 10:49 AM
 
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Illegals can't vote.

When are people going to stop repeating this lie?

They vote (1) after they're amnestied or (2) when local governments allow them to (which occurs very rarely).

Their children vote.
 
Old 12-26-2018, 10:57 AM
 
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Easy as that. If there are no benefits available to illegals, the less likely they are to come.
Most illegals don't even apply for benefits, they are afraid to. Have you ever bothered to get to know anyone who is here illegally, and tried talked to them? My grandson goes to school with some kids whose parents are here illegally and while the parents work, they almost all have low paying jobs. I talk to them because I can manage a little Spanglish and I ask them why they don't apply for free lunch for the kids and they tell me they don't want to apply for anything for fear of being deported. Some of them don't even apply for health care for their citizen children, instead they take them to walk in community clinics or the CVS clinic. They are afraid that every time they fill out paper they stand a chance of having that document lead to their being deported.

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Old 12-26-2018, 10:59 AM
 
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They vote (1) after they're amnestied or (2) when local governments allow them to (which occurs very rarely).

Their children vote.
Yeah except I think the last "amnesty" was in 1986, right? And if a local government allows them to vote it is only for strictly local issues like superintendent of education.
 
Old 12-26-2018, 11:00 AM
 
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It is not just cheap labor, it is labor that won't "complain". Being in the USA illegally means deportation if caught. A worker will put up with anything in order to stay employed and in the USA. A U.S. citizen or a legal resident won't put up with certain workplace abuses. Someone who is here illegally won't speak up for fear of being found by the authorities.
Read up on Shipley donuts in Houston. They owned the property their warehouse was on. It also included some houses where illegals employees lived.

The boss's treatment of employees was so egregious, some employees filed complaints with the EEOC. And won.
 
Old 12-26-2018, 11:06 AM
 
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It is not just cheap labor, it is labor that won't "complain". Being in the USA illegally means deportation if caught. A worker will put up with anything in order to stay employed and in the USA. A U.S. citizen or a legal resident won't put up with certain workplace abuses. Someone who is here illegally won't speak up for fear of being found by the authorities.
That probably has more to do with it than low wages. Poultry and meat processors love illegals because they are unlikely to file workers comp claims and if they do, the employer suddenly discovers they are here illegally and fires them, as they did in the case of this worker who lost his leg at work: https://www.businessinsider.com/case...igrants-2017-5

And they don't insist on breaks or report wage, hour or working condition violations. In some cases workers wear diapers because they can't take a bathroom break
 
Old 12-26-2018, 11:09 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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They come here because there are jobs that will go unfilled without them.
And those jobs would be filled if we payed a high enough wage. We just need to align our economic actions with our stated principles. It's simple.
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