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Old 12-26-2018, 07:20 AM
 
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I hear you..

I also know there has been inadequate support by both parties for an e-Verify mandate- no exceptions. Way too many benefit off cheap labor.
I agree. No one is really concerned about these workers, who, as you stated in an earlier post, do so many jobs in America for low wages. On the contrary, businesses of all political leanings welcome them.

Which leads to the logical conclusion that this is a manufactured crisis for political reasons only. If Congress and the president wanted to, they could stem the flow quite easily and cheaply.

It's quite obvious they don't want to.

 
Old 12-26-2018, 07:30 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Trump doesn't want that.

Because he wouldn't be able hire cheap undocumented immigrants to work in his hotels and casinos then stiff them.

And his YUGE ego wouldn't have a tangible object to literally and/or figuratively hang his name on.
 
Old 12-26-2018, 07:31 AM
 
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The Texas legislature refused to pass tough penalties for E-verify, no one would confuse them as left. But they did take on sanctuary cities, no why do you suppose they didn't take on businesses employing illegal immigrants.

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/06...n-comes-short/
Simple - Texas has among the largest number of Hispanic Workers...and the employers who use them have big time political power.

We can see the story just by looking at one stat that makes Texas #1 - number of uninsured. I remember it being close to 25%.

That's a low cost of labor....plenty of money left over to buy GOP Politicians with.

Of course, the Bush and Koch families are for immigration (of the poor) anyway...and both have outsized influences in the GOP.
 
Old 12-26-2018, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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It is not just cheap labor, it is labor that won't "complain". Being in the USA illegally means deportation if caught. A worker will put up with anything in order to stay employed and in the USA. A U.S. citizen or a legal resident won't put up with certain workplace abuses. Someone who is here illegally won't speak up for fear of being found by the authorities.
Good point.

Most work independent of Federal and State labor laws.
 
Old 12-26-2018, 08:36 AM
 
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Good point.

Most work independent of Federal and State labor laws.
This is one reason a wall won't work. Enforcing the laws we have would be a good place to start. However, there are those, on both sides of the political aisle, who won't try to enforce the law. Sometimes you just have to look at what drives many things: $$$$
 
Old 12-26-2018, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Simple - Texas has among the largest number of Hispanic Workers...and the employers who use them have big time political power.

We can see the story just by looking at one stat that makes Texas #1 - number of uninsured. I remember it being close to 25%.

That's a low cost of labor....plenty of money left over to buy GOP Politicians with.

Of course, the Bush and Koch families are for immigration (of the poor) anyway...and both have outsized influences in the GOP.
This is where they are talking out of both sides of there mouths, they pass tough bills on sanctuary cities which were front page all of this year but when it comes to doing something significant they disappear. Texas in particular has been sending their own law enforcement to the borders and claiming that LE in large cities are the problem with soft oversight illegal immigration. Meanwhile they refuse to address the core reason they come here like you mentioned, jobs.


They are dancing around the problem with the simplistic solution of the wall, businesses and residents love their cheap labor.
 
Old 12-26-2018, 09:39 AM
 
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People here illegally don't get welfare. If they have a child born here, the child is a citizen and the child is entitled to services. But that doesn't mean that child's parents are getting healthcare and such. Change the law that makes every person born here a citizen. That and prosecuting those who employ them would be deterrents.

But like I said, lawmakers don't really want to stop illegal immigration because our entire economic infrastructure depends on them.

Myth. Illegals get a ton of welfare and not just through their kids (which all of them, born here or not, get free education and school breakfasts and lunches). There is the medical treatment at hospitals often paid by Emergency Medicaid. Not just ER visits but pregnancy as well. IRS each year pays out billions to illegal immigrants in refundable child tax credits and the earned income tax credit. Subsidized in-state tuition. Subsidized low cost auto insurance. 62 percent of illegal-immigrant-headed households get federal welfare — more than double the rate for households headed by native-born Americans.Then there is the fraud.


E-Verify won't deter the many who work for cash and will push the rest into working under the table for cash. But I'm all for it. I'm sure the incoming Democrat-controlled House will introduce an e-Verify bill soon, right?
 
Old 12-26-2018, 09:43 AM
 
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People have grabbed hold of the wall as a simple solution, we already have over 600 miles and it hasn't stopped immigration. Illegal immigration is tremendously complicated and wont be resolved by simply adding more wall, if it worked we wouldn't be talking right now. Using a solution from centuries ago wont work and please don't use Israel as a success story.

Interesting how liberals like to talk about how illegal immigration is significantly down since 2008 as if it has no correlation with the Secure Fence Act of 2006. We have strong fences not walls, and where they exist they have cut down illegal immigration sharply.


I'd really like to know why you and others think they know more about whether a wall would work or not than 90% of the border patrol agents whose full time job is to enforce border control. As long as the vast majority of those actually manning the border say a wall would be an effective tool, liberals claims that it won't work ring hollow and will be ignored.
 
Old 12-26-2018, 09:45 AM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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People have grabbed hold of the wall as a simple solution, we already have over 600 miles and it hasn't stopped immigration. Illegal immigration is tremendously complicated and wont be resolved by simply adding more wall, if it worked we wouldn't be talking right now. Using a solution from centuries ago wont work and please don't use Israel as a success story.
Israel is a success story. And I clearly said that it contributes to preventing the flow of illegal immigrants along with other devices. Yes to a wall, yes to more BP agents, and Yes to a change in our laws.
 
Old 12-26-2018, 09:47 AM
 
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"If you're serious about illegal immigration reform, stop with the wall and focus on employment verification"

We need both. Walls do work and verification works. There are ways around both, but they do stop some and slow down others. Our leaders aren't serious about it all though, we the people are doomed.
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