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This is one reason a wall won't work. Enforcing the laws we have would be a good place to start. However, there are those, on both sides of the political aisle, who won't try to enforce the law. Sometimes you just have to look at what drives many things: $$$$
That is the harsh reality. We've seen it all; walls, border agents, helicopters, cherry picker trucks with infra red sensor arrays on the tops of their arms, yes even balloons on the ends of truck mounted winches with infra red sensors have all been used in the past and still they come in, and still get employed, and still send money home.
We've seen them wade the river right under the windows of the border check-point buildings at Algodonez Mx. We've watched bus loads of them, having been previously rounded up and returned to the crossing at San Luis, upon being allowed off the bus on the Mexican side, immediately do an about face and climb the fence less than a few hundred yards away and beat feet back into the U.S. probably to show up at work the following day once again picking veggies in the Imperial Valley.
End govt education and welfare for all non taxpayers and stay out of the employment agreements of others.
Except that is not what brings people here, jobs do. You can dance around this all day but jobs are the magnet. Employers are the ones who make sure that congress receives enough campaign contributions that they will never vote for e-verify and Trump holds up a shiny thing (wall) to his base claiming that will solve the problem and it won't do squat because people can still get in through ports of entry- or easier yet, just get a tourist visa and stay here for the rest of their lives
Seriously, the wall is going to cost a ****-ton and it's not gonna be that effective. There are already plenty of walls and monitoring throughout the border area and people still get through. And you can't make it triple barbed wire with land mines and machine gun towers - which would be effective, by the way, as was shown by the Soviet Union back in the day.
Instead, you should all be focusing on employment verification. If you don't want the Central Americans to come, then deny them employment. Make employment verification serious business and enforce that. Why are you not up in arms about the fact that e-verify is not mandatory nationwide? There are some bills for it now in the works.
The dirty secret is that while Trump supporter types talk tough about the border, many don't talk very tough about illegals working in certain jobs. Same farmer who votes for Trump is happy to hire illegals, because he knows they're extra cheap and can be squeezed like lemons - and who are they going to complain to? And same consumer who votes for Trump is happy to buy cheap produce at the supermarket. Make e-verify mandatory everywhere (and beef up enforcement & penalties), force the farmers to hire Americans at boosted wages, and we all get ready to pay more for groceries. Ditto in other industries. Easy. Would cost serious cash, but it would be more effective.
But no...we have to look the other way on that and fixate on this wall thing...
Correct. E-Verify has widespread public support and would be very effective if implemented nationally.
However, racist Democrats, who want more people who share their skin color and vote Democratic, and big business, whose donations fuel both parties, don't want this, so the will of the public is not put into practice.
Israel is a success story. And I clearly said that it contributes to preventing the flow of illegal immigrants along with other devices. Yes to a wall, yes to more BP agents, and Yes to a change in our laws.
It's an entirely different situation and Trump lies about the Israeli wall just like he lies about everything else. Here's the reality of Israel's wall
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Less than 5 percent is a concrete wall
Israel actually has a series of security barriers serving different fronts and purposes. The best known of these is the separation fence bordering the Palestinian Administered Territories. This fence was built in response to the 132 Palestinian suicide bombings between 2000 and 2004, which killed 502 Israelis and wounded thousands more.
In March 2002 alone, 140 Israelis were murdered in a continually escalating wave of Palestinian terrorism. Noting that only one suicide bomber managed to come from Gaza, where a security fence was already in place, Israel began construction of a security fence facing Palestinian areas of the West Bank in 2003.
Although sections of concrete wall are most often pictured in the media, these account for only 3 percent of the barrier, primarily in residential areas and along highways where Palestinian snipers had targeted Israeli citizens.
The remaining 97 percent consists of a double chain link fence flanking a dirt patrol road. Enhanced with electronic sensors that alert the Israel Defense Forces to movement along the fence, its object is less to stop infiltrators than to deter, detect and track them. https://www.azcentral.com/story/opin...rst/678600001/
Correct. E-Verify has widespread public support and would be very effective if implemented nationally. However, racist Democrats, who want more people who share their skin color and vote Democratic, and big business, whose donations fuel both parties, don't want this, so the will of the public is not put into practice.
You might want to do some fact checking on that. In 2013 Democrats in the Senate agreed with Republicans on mandatory e-verify. The Republican majority in the house refused to even consider the bill
That is the harsh reality. We've seen it all; walls, border agents, helicopters, cherry picker trucks with infra red sensor arrays on the tops of their arms, yes even balloons on the ends of truck mounted winches with infra red sensors have all been used in the past and still they come in, and still get employed, and still send money home.
We've seen them wade the river right under the windows of the border check-point buildings at Algodonez Mx. We've watched bus loads of them, having been previously rounded up and returned to the crossing at San Luis, upon being allowed off the bus on the Mexican side, immediately do an about face and climb the fence less than a few hundred yards away and beat feet back into the U.S. probably to show up at work the following day once again picking veggies in the Imperial Valley.
This shows the lengths illegals will go to get in and work. And it shows that a wall isn't as effective as many would like to believe. You have to follow the money. And that is where you have to hit the problem. Employers need to be held accountable. And no benefits for those who come illegally.
Except that is not what brings people here, jobs do. You can dance around this all day but jobs are the magnet. Employers are the ones who make sure that congress receives enough campaign contributions that they will never vote for e-verify and Trump holds up a shiny thing (wall) to his base claiming that will solve the problem and it won't do squat because people can still get in through ports of entry- or easier yet, just get a tourist visa and stay here for the rest of their lives
I have no problem with anyone who comes here and enters into a peaceful exchange of labor for money.
Yes, a border wall works. Check the border that separates Israel from the West Bank. Does it stop everything? No, and neither does E-verify or aggressive prosecution of people who employ them (which I am not against).
It takes a multitude of devices to curb the many multitude of ways to prevent and deter someone from entering the country.
That being said, even if law enforcement were to aggressively prosecute those who employ people illegally it doesn't deincentivize someone from crossing the border illegally if they know that they can abuse our welfare system of entitlements (free tax payer sponsored healthcare, "free" tax payer sponsored education, free food--via SNAP programs for "anchor" babies, and free tax payer sponsored housing) for approximately 300-500k people per year.
Let's keep it real--Democrats don't want to curb illegal immigration at the border because they want to continue funneling new welfare dependents into the country. They want to grow their base with people who are overwhelmingly poor, uneducated and "disenfranchised"--the very people who they continue to pander to domestically for votes.
The Isrealis will also run over a pedestrian with a tank. Bet that's also a deterrent.
This shows the lengths illegals will go to get in and work. And it shows that a wall isn't as effective as many would like to believe. You have to follow the money. And that is where you have to hit the problem. Employers need to be held accountable. And no benefits for those who come illegally.
If anybody was serious about stopping illegal immigration, they'd prosecute employers who hire them.
But we all know that'll never happen on any large scale.
Agreed.
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