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B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).
The goal of the bill is clear and I don't think anybody is debating it. There is clearly an illegal immigration problem in the country and more enter the state of Arizona than any other state. The whole issue of the bill is that they failed to clarify what the bolded section of this bill means. What determines "reasonable suspicion" ????
-A bumper sticker on the individual's car that says "Proud to be an illegal" ?
-An ID that states the individual's name is Bob Jones but the guy's wife in the passenger side keeps calling him Miroslav?
Joking aside, this is what bothers people, including myself, about the bill. It is basically targeting any foreigner by the way they look or speak, regardless of their immigration status. I don't understand why anyone would find that to be an acceptable practice.
The goal of the bill is clear and I don't think anybody is debating it. There is clearly an illegal immigration problem in the country and more enter the state of Arizona than any other state. The whole issue of the bill is that they failed to clarify what the bolded section of this bill means. What determines "reasonable suspicion" ????
-A bumper sticker on the individual's car that says "Proud to be an illegal" ?
-An ID that states the individual's name is Bob Jones but the guy's wife in the passenger side keeps calling him Miroslav?
Joking aside, this is what bothers people, including myself, about the bill. It is basically targeting any foreigner by the way they look or speak, regardless of their immigration status. I don't understand why anyone would find that to be an acceptable practice.
The law states that race can be a reason to investigate someone, so as long as it is not the SOLE reason. So if you are Hispanic they will not necessarily pull you over, but if you are Hispanic and playing Mexican music, watch out!!
"The attorney general or county attorney shall not investigate complaints that are based solely on race, color or national origin."
The law states that race can be a reason to investigate someone, so as long as it is not the SOLE reason. So if you are Hispanic they will not necessarily pull you over, but if you are Hispanic and playing Mexican music, watch out!!
"The attorney general or county attorney shall not investigate complaints that are based solely on race, color or national origin."
Exactly, so what determines "reasonable suspicion" then?
BTW, I don't understand how anyone actually thinks it could or ever would get far enough that a person lawfully here would be "deported" by mistake.
If you're a citizen, that will be fairly easy to ascertain. If you're not, but are a legal resident, you are, already by federal law, REQUIRED to have your "papers" on you at all times.
Just because laws haven't been enforced in the past does not mean they aren't valid or can't be enforced at a moment's notice.
The goal of the bill is clear and I don't think anybody is debating it. There is clearly an illegal immigration problem in the country and more enter the state of Arizona than any other state. The whole issue of the bill is that they failed to clarify what the bolded section of this bill means. What determines "reasonable suspicion" ????
-A bumper sticker on the individual's car that says "Proud to be an illegal" ?
-An ID that states the individual's name is Bob Jones but the guy's wife in the passenger side keeps calling him Miroslav?
Joking aside, this is what bothers people, including myself, about the bill. It is basically targeting any foreigner by the way they look or speak, regardless of their immigration status. I don't understand why anyone would find that to be an acceptable practice.
You cannot be pulled over simply because there is a suspicion that you are an illegal immigrant. There has to be some other reason to stop a person. If it is then judged that a person is likely an illegal immigrant, then law enforcement can investigate further. It is the same standard common in most areas when there is a suspicion of illegal drugs, illegal firearms, and a number of other illegalities.
If you think that law enforcement will simply manufacture a reason to stop a suspicious person, then that is a simple mistrust of the police to follow the letter of the law. If that is the case then we might as well disarm the police, disband the judicial system, and become a society of vigilantes.
Last edited by GalileoSmith; 05-25-2010 at 11:10 AM..
You cannot be pulled over simply because there is a suspicion that you are an illegal immigrant. There has to be some other reason to stop a person. If it is then judged that a person is likely an illegal immigrant, then law enforcement can investigate further. It is the same standard common in most areas when there is a suspicion of illegal drugs, illegal firearms, and a number of other illegalities.
If you think that law enforcement will simply manufacture a reason to stop a suspicious person, then that is a simple mistrust of the police to follow the letter of the law. If that is the case then we might as well disarm the police, disband the judicial system, and become a society of vigilantes.
You're avoiding my question, how would it be judged that a person is likely an illegal immigrant?
You're avoiding my question, how would it be judged that a person is likely an illegal immigrant?
Not having ID will probably be a good first step.
Not speaking English is probably another good indication.
Not being able to give an address is a good indicator as well.
You know how we pull old grandmas aside at the airport so that everyone can pretend the "real world" operates differently than it really does? Well, I suppose the police dept. can make sure it subjects some Michael Smiths and Sarah Cooks to rigorous "status" questioning if that makes you feel better.
If you're a citizen, that will be fairly easy to ascertain. If you're not, but are a legal resident, you are, already by federal law, REQUIRED to have your "papers" on you at all times.
Just because laws haven't been enforced in the past does not mean they aren't valid or can't be enforced at a moment's notice.
I just went to the USCIS website to the section regarding Rights and Responsibilities of a Green Card Holder (Permanent Resident) and this is what it states:
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Rights and Responsibilities of a Green Card Holder (Permanent Resident)
Your Rights As A Permanent Resident
As a permanent resident (green card holder), you have the right to:
Live permanently in the United States provided you do not commit any actions that would make you removable under immigration law
Work in the United States at any legal work of your qualification and choosing. (Please note that some jobs will be limited to U.S. citizens for security reasons)
Be protected by all laws of the United States, your state of residence and local jurisdictions
Your Responsibilities as a Permanent Resident
As a permanent resident, you are:
Required to obey all laws of the United States the states, and localities
Required to file your income tax returns and report your income to the U.S. Internal Revenue Service and state taxing authorities
Expected to support the democratic form of government and not to change the government through illegal means
Required, if you are a male age 18 through 25, to register with the Selective Service
I don't see under the responsibilities section that a permanent resident is required to carry their permanent resident card with them at all times.
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