The Los Angeles Homeless Containment Thread (Downey: low income, 2013, how much)

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Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

Oh stop that. I've never suggested on this forum that anybody do ANYTHING that's illegal.

Ok, I will as soon as you quit coming at me with nonsense like this:

Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat View Post
You see, sweetheart, the problem with you people is that you're entirely engrossed in the rights of the homeless, but you're ignoring the rights of people who are victims of their behavior, including but not limited to harassment, aggravated assault, sex crimes against children, etc.

You continually claim that because I remind pointy headed people here that you can't just round the homeless up, put them in camps or turn fire hoses on them that makes me some kind of bleeding heart SJW and it's not true. Attorneys represent people they abhor, but they do it because they believe in the law. Because I think a murderer has a right to a fair trial doesn't mean that I sympathize with killers, I'm not sure why you can't embrace that simple logic.

You on the other hand, high five people who talk about using extrajudicial and unconstitutional means to deal with the homeless, so applying your logic to yourself; your association with those pointy heads means that you support those actions.

See how that works sweetheart?

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Originally Posted by FullBloodedWhiteMale

Camps or prisons? Do you know that they cannot just be rounded up like cattle?

Yes they can.

Um, lol. Not in America at this time they can’t.

Originally Posted by FullBloodedWhiteMale

OK Smarty Pants, I told you what needs to get done to solve your problem. If this isn't done, there will be no solution and you'll be stuck with vagrants. Unless you are willing to get TOUGH OR spend LOTS of money, you will continue to have vagrants.

Your typical homeless wimp will be picking 12 hours a day in the hot sun if he has had nothing to eat for three days.
We get rid of the three hots and a cot and put them to work. Prisoners are working all over the US.

The only prisoners working in the U.S. today are working voluntarily ... because they prefer the advantages provided to them for doing so ...

As for “spending lots of money” to solve the problem, uh, sure, of course. Obviously. My points to you in recent posts included “cost efficiency and cost effectiveness.” None of your [illegal] suggestions so far are cheap as you seem to think: “rounding up”, judging, sentencing, incarcerating, guarding, feeding, providing medical care, and more that go with your forced labor dream all cost more than simply providing basic housing.

Originally Posted by FullBloodedWhiteMale

If they're breaking the law, "rounding them up" is simply a mass arrest.
If they volunteer for room and board in return for work and sobriety, "rounding them up" is simply a way to express the act of getting them together for the camps.

There's nothing wrong with this. It's efficient, human, smart, ethical, and moral.

“Mass arrest” on what charge? It’s not illegal to be homeless. And if you could manage to manufacture charges - it would still cost more than simply providing minimal housing.

Back to baiting your hook for a fresh cast now ...

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Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

Oh stop that. I've never suggested on this forum that anybody do ANYTHING that's illegal.

Yes you have:

Herding homeless with electric cattle prods
Pushing homeless out of helicopters
Abandoning homeless on boats at sea

... would be three examples that come to mind ...

... but also, just as your new buddy FullBloodedWhiteMale advocates: you have repeatedly suggested the homeless be forced into camps in remote locations. That is also illegal.

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Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

Ever notice it's only you people who don't live here who deny what those of us who actually live here state about the homeless? What does that tell you?

Except those of us, you refer to as “denying what you state” include fellow Angelinos.

To say nothing of the fact that “us” you refer to provide verifiable, credible, professional research links while “you” provide anonymous anecdotal opinions.

Pretty weak stuff you peddle, bub.

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Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

Great article. We're under siege essentially by terrorists who assault people physically, traumatize and abuse children with sexual misconduct, cultivate biological weapons such as typhus infected fleas, etc. Whatever happened to this country's resolve to fight terrorism?

Roflmfao ... “cultivate biological weapons ...” Bubba, grab a towel and dry off, you just fell overboard again

The Murine Typhus outbreak has been professionally, and locally, demonstrated to be distinctly independent of homelessness.

As for your other accusations: every one of those crimes is and has been fully present in all of LA and the nation since forever. If you’d care to define in what ways they are unique to the homeless in LA I’d like to read about it.

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Originally Posted by jm1982

Interesting article . So living in a converted garage or household with unrelated families makes someone “homeless “? Seems to be a loose definition .

Turns out some homeless people have ... “different immigration statuses” hmm interesting..

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“Chinchilla said she found Latinos are undercounted in the LAHSA homeless count because they are more likely to live in nontraditional homeless spaces, such as converted garages and households with multiple unrelated families, and less likely than other racial groups to use public services. She added that little research has been done on Latino homelessness.”

“Latino homeless individuals are also less likely to utilize homeless services because of their citizenship status, Chinchilla added. She said the population is composed of people with different immigration statuses, and as a result, some homeless individuals may refuse services in fear of being disqualified for citizenship.”


Latino homeless population found to be at disadvantage in outreach programs
https://dailybruin.com/2019/02/18/la...each-programs/

How many times do you need to be provided the definition of homeless?

2016 definition of “homelessness” provided by the United States Department of Housing and Urban Development provides that Chronic Homelessness is defined as:

1. An individual who:

Is homeless and lives in a place not meant for human habitation, a safe haven, or in an emergency shelter; and
Has been homeless and living or residing in a place not meant for human habitation, a safe haven, or in an emergency shelter continuously for at least 12 months or on at least four separate occasions in the last 3 years, where the cumulative total of the four occasions is at least 12 months. Stays in institutions of 90 days or less will not constitute as a break in homelessness, but rather such stays are included in the cumulative total; &
Can be diagnosed with one or more of the following conditions: Substance use disorder, serious mental illness, developmental disability (as defined in section 102 of the Developmental Disabilities Assistance Bill of Rights Act of 2000 (42 U.S.C. 15002)), post- traumatic stress disorder, cognitive impairments resulting from brain injury, or chronic physical illness or disability;
2. An individual who has been residing in an institutional care facility, including a jail, substance abuse or mental health treatment facility, hospital, or other similar facility for fewer than 90 days and met all of the criteria in paragraph (1), before entering that facility; or

3. A family with an adult head of household (or if there is no adult in the family, a minor head of household) who meets all of the criteria in paragraph (1), including a family whose composition has fluctuated while the head of household has been homeless.

For children, the federal government has defined homelessness through the McKinney-Vento Act, which defines homeless children as “individuals who lack a fixed, regular, and adequate nighttime residence.” Some examples of children who would fall under this definition include:

Children sharing housing due to economic hardship or loss of housing;
Children living in “motels, hotels, trailer parks, or camp grounds due to lack of alternative accommodations”
Children living in “emergency or transitional shelters”
Children “awaiting foster care placement”
Children whose primary nighttime residence is not ordinarily used as a regular sleeping accommodation (e.g. park benches, etc.)
Children living in “cars, parks, public spaces, abandoned buildings, substandard housing, bus or train stations…”

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Originally Posted by TCROX

Terrorists with criminal lifestyles driven by mental illness and drug dependency.... Terrorists that our supposedly elected officials and other vagrant wranglers want us to supply with our livelihoods, quality of life and personal belongings whenever they want to take them.
Terrorists, and the elected officials and other vagrant wranglers want us to pay for housing and caring for them 100% while they destroy everything around their locations- no accountability, no re-education, no boundaries, or supervision- let the tax money flow and let the vagrant wranglers make bank on their their cash cows..drugged out slaves really with crime and vagrancy as a way of life imposed on them to make a few folks lots of money. The vagrants need to be off the streets into secured, supervised facilities now...why do the libs want them out in the cold, suffering so badly? The oldest answer is correct- money.

Whats the point in time count for: to establish territorial boundaries for the money grab-- its been going on for years and the situation has only gotten more inhumane and dangerous....the amount of money stolen has skyrocketed along with the human misery,

Why won't the vagrant wranglers disclose exactly where the money is going? Don''t they know ? Should be very easy to let us all know - why no transparency?

Every agency “wrangling vagrants” with public monies has publicly viewable financial records/books. Have at it, bubba.

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Originally Posted by jm1982

They want to be left alone ? That’s funny since when us L.A residents are out in public it’s typically the homeless that aren’t leaving us alone .

Panhandling , littering the streets with trash , shouting obscenities or making threats or increasingly according to LAPD violent crime .

Maybe the situation is different where you live , about 6 hours away

No, the situation is the same everywhere there are homeless. And none of that behavior is “asking you for anything”. They are simply behaviors of desperation. And, according to the LAPD: reporting of violent crime among the homeless, that is: homeless violence on other homeless, is up ... and new violent crime reporting criteria has been instituted - even while overall LA violent crime is down - to identify homeless suspects specifically in the future ... which is not to say actual amount of crime is up ... just more reporting of subjective opinion on who are perpetrators. Yes, LAPD representatives have made those qualifying statements.

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Originally Posted by TCROX

6 hours away and not having any contact with vagrants at all apparently. Maybe posturing and posting here about this disaster is a bucket list activity for some-that's fine...
The vagrants are left alone and not complaining for sure! They get the one benefit of being out doing whatever criminal activity they want with zero repercussions as long as they are part of the vagrant socio-economic program. What happens if they murder someone? they get a place to stay in a secured facility with three hots and a cot- almost a reward! Certainly they will only do more harm with the mandate before them.

What happens when anyone murders someone? Same thing ...

And how amusing you post implying that persons at a distance “have no contact with vagrants.” When you post in forums re: the same distanced cities. And demonstrate zero contact knowledge of “vagrants” yourself. Lol.

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Ok then. All caught up for a minute ... what an interesting night/morning of continuing lies and nonsense from the “local Angelino bros” ! Lol.