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No, IMO Louisville doesn't have a gang problem, it has an attitude problem. You can take any aspect of these murders, from drugs to turf, to even education, lack of fathers in the home, poverty, greed, and community organizers such as the late Louis Coleman, hamstringing the police.
The terrible part of all this, home values in the areas where the murders occur are near depression value only because of crime. These mostly young black men are so undisciplined that they are destroying the very thing they want most. So, no, its not gangs, gangs are only a symptom of the living standards of the murder zones.
No, IMO Louisville doesn't have a gang problem, it has an attitude problem. You can take any aspect of these murders, from drugs to turf, to even education, lack of fathers in the home, poverty, greed, and community organizers such as the late Louis Coleman, hamstringing the police.
The terrible part of all this, home values in the areas where the murders occur are near depression value only because of crime. These mostly young black men are so undisciplined that they are destroying the very thing they want most. So, no, its not gangs, gangs are only a symptom of the living standards of the murder zones.
I second that completely.
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Originally Posted by bw87a
that is so right tomocox. as much as i'd like to see western louisville cleaned up, i just don't think it is ever going to happen.
What Louisville...and Lexington, Cincinnati, Indianapolis, Nashville, Memphis, Birmingham, Pittsburgh, and other cities that have an "attitude" and not a "gang" problem need is Giuliani-like crime leadership.
I'm not comparing L'ville to NYC, so I realize this is an extreme example. In 1990, there were 2245 murders in New York City and 17 deaths related to shootings in 1989 or prior. So, there were 2262 accounted for murder-related deaths in NYC that year. That's not counting (a) murders downgraded to manslaughter by NYPD and (b) non-reported murders by drug lords and mafia men where bodies could've easily been thrown into the Hudson River and Long Island Sound. NYC had a HUGE attitude problem that year. Then-Mayor Dinkins secured a lot of fed. funding to secure more police officers and even hired Chief Bratton who introduced CompStat; starting in 1994, though, it was Giuliani, that was the major force in getting CompStat and "Broken Windows" rule implemented. Oh, and Giuliani as a U.S. District Attorney for the Southern District of N.Y. in the 1980s was very instrumental in prosecuting chief mafia leaders and locking them up.
Last year, NYC had murder rate much lower than ANY Midwestern city, including Louisville.
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Over Thanksgiving my ma was telling me that she was waiting in the checkout at the store and that all the women in that line, and the checker were robbed at one time or another.
This was totally random, but that this was the case should tell you Louisville does have a crime problem, which includes the suburbs and the city.
Six African-Americans, one Hispanic dead. All shot in majority-minority (and majority African-American at that) areas in western and southern Jefferson County. There is an attitude problem prevalent in low-income minority communities all across America; this attitude problem has stemmed the gang problems seen in SoCal, ATL, NYC, Chicago, Phoenix, etc.
i just recently moved from Saginaw, Michigan. Fortunately, saginaw isn't large enough to qualify as a major city...but if it did, it would be classified as the most dangerous major city in the nation. it seems that the west side of Louisville (from what i have heard) has a very similar problem to what i saw there.
i agree completely with tomocox...it's an attitude problem. unfortunately, this leads to gang activity in a lot of cases. there seems to be a lack of pride in "home". maybe that's incorrect, but at the very least, it's a case of misplaced pride in "home". it's very easy to qualify it as a gang problem, but that's the end result. the true problem starts much deeper.
as long as it's viewed as a "gang problem", it won't get any better.
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