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View Poll Results: How Will it End?
Nunes - KO or TKO Win 15 45.45%
Rousey - Submission Win 14 42.42%
Fight Goes Full Rounds, Ends with Descision 4 12.12%
Voters: 33. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-31-2016, 03:10 PM
 
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Rousey got a big check for this. From her prefight demeanor, it was obvious she had one foot out the door. Can't win with that mentality.
she got a huge payday, $3,000,000 plus ppv buys, so likely 10 mil or more.
that said, she was THE ONLY reason this PPV sold. either you bought because you wanted to see her win, or you wanted to see her fail.
there was no other name/face on this card to headline it and sell PPV. Nunes certainly wasnt going to sell PPV buys.

Cody/Cruz wasnt selling PPV buys either.

she "earned" that payday on that aspect alone.
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Old 12-31-2016, 03:29 PM
 
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I get that Rousey was the big draw but trying to justify her $3m purse to Nunes 200K is just plain crazy. Dana and his gang should be ashamed of themselves.
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Old 12-31-2016, 03:41 PM
 
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She also thought she could stand a chance against Layla Ali.

It was a bad move from Ronda's team and the UFC to put her against Amanda. She should have requested a fighter that she could easily beat. The issue now is that everyone now knows the playbook on how to beat her. If she wants to continue fighting she will have to seek out a top level boxing and kickboxing coach and sparring partners.

Also, for people saying that Ronda put women's MMA on the map you are forgetting about the 1st big female star of MMA, Gina Carano. Also, it was other MMA companies that gave women's MMA a chance, Bellator, EliteXc, Strikeforce, etc. The UFC got into the Women's MMA bandwagon after its parent company, Zuffa, bought Strikeforce and transferred the contracts of its top talent to the UFC, Ronda and Tate included. Don't believe the BS that Dana W is saying that it was after the conversation that he had with Ronda that he decided to have women's MMA in the UFC.
Yep. Dana White is known to lie. ESPECIALLY when it comes to Ronda. His mouth stays on her ass. You won't catch him saying anything that could be slightly negative. You'd think he was sleeping with Ronda, the way he acts. But, I guess being his cash-cow does that. Best to take everything he says with a grain of salt.

And yes, everyone talks about Ronda starting it all, or really making a way for women. Ali, Carano, Cyborg, Holm, Wolfe, etc -all top female athletes who were around and kicking ass way before Ronda. The media hyped Ronda up to be better than what she actually was.

She's a good fighter. But that's it. She was over-hyped as this once in a lifetime athlete, better than Mike Tyson, etc. Saying she could beat male fighters. Putting her on the covers of boxing magazines, etc. Ronda got way more attention than she deserved. She has judo tosses, and armbars. That's her specialty, but that doesn't make her a God.

People were on the bandwagon, saying "She's the only champ to successfully defend her belt" You hear than in official debates, and in comments everywhere. She held a belt in a still-developing division. And I kept thinking, wait and see what she does her return before discrediting Holly and Miesha for losing on their first defense. Then people hated hard on Holly, calling her 1-hit Wonder because she lost 2 fights in a row. Well now

Tate - 2 Losses - Retired
Zingano - 2 Losses
Ronda - 2 Losses

Ronda came back and fought one of the up and coming fighters, and lost a second time. So she didn't get her belt back, and just run through everybody. She was a big fish in a small pond. The division was amateurish when she began.

Pioneers always look great when they're the first and things aren't developed or diverse. But people start coming in and improving off of them, now they're surpassed. They're the old-style. It's like this for everything just about.

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Old 12-31-2016, 04:11 PM
 
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Yep. Dana White is known to lie. ESPECIALLY when it comes to Ronda. His mouth stays on her ass. You won't catch him saying anything that could be slightly negative. You'd think he was sleeping with Ronda, the way he acts. But, I guess being his cash-cow does that. Best to take everything he says with a grain of salt.

And yes, everyone talks about Ronda starting it all, or really making a way for women. Ali, Carano, Cyborg, Holm, Wolfe, etc -all top female athletes who were around and kicking ass way before Ronda. The media hyped Ronda up to be better than what she actually was.

She's a good fighter. But that's it. She was over-hyped as this once in a lifetime athlete, better than Mike Tyson, etc. Saying she could beat male fighters. Putting her on the covers of boxing magazines, etc. Ronda got way more attention than she deserved. She has judo tosses, and armbars. That's her specialty, but that doesn't make her a God.

People were on the bandwagon, saying "She's the only champ to successfully defend her belt" You hear than in official debates, and in comments everywhere. She held a belt in a still-developing division. And I kept thinking, wait and see what she does her return before discrediting Holly and Miesha for losing on their first defense. Then people hated hard on Holly, calling her 1-hit Wonder because she lost 2 fights in a row. Well now

Tate - 2 Losses - Retired
Zingano - 2 Losses
Ronda - 2 Losses

Ronda came back and fought one of the up and coming fighters, and lost a second time. So she didn't get her belt back, and just run through everybody. She was a big fish in a small pond. The division was amateurish when she began.

Pioneers always look great when they're the first and things aren't developed or diverse. But people start coming in and improving off of them, now they're surpassed. They're the old-style. It's like this for everything just about.
I agree. If you look at Ronda's wins they were all due to submission or being able to use her judo to clinch and punch out her opponent. Bethe Correa fought a dumb fight and allowed Ronda to get close, clinch her and tea off on her.

If you re-watch the Holly vs Ronda fight, you will see Holly kept Ronda at bay with her boxing/kickboxing and stuffing her clinch. Amanda did exactly the same thing. Ronda will have to seek out a top boxing/kickboxing coach and have top sparring partners to void that weakness. She will no longer be able to use her Judo as her main arsenal in that division.
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Old 12-31-2016, 04:44 PM
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Ronda's fight should be either on the ground or in the clinch/near-clinch distance. Her strong points in MMA are grappling......why she does the skreeeechy, rock'em-sock'em robot routine is beyond me.

Ronda also puts on way too much weight between fights. She always looks so gaunt and drawn at the weigh-in.....cutting all that weight is hard on the body. This last weigh-in was bad, she looked like she was going to collapse.
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Old 12-31-2016, 04:47 PM
 
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Ronda's fight should be either on the ground or in the clinch/near-clinch distance. Her strong points in MMA are grappling......why she does the skreeeechy, rock'em-sock'em robot routine is beyond me.

Ronda also puts on way too much weight between fights. She always looks so gaunt and drawn at the weigh-in.....cutting all that weight is hard on the body. This last weigh-in was bad, she looked like she was going to collapse.
It wasn't even a match!She didn't even hit amanda one time,she was trying to block punches but you can tell deep down ronda was scared!!That holly holm fight has made her pathetic!!

46 seconds and knocked out!!pathetic!!

RETIRE!
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Old 12-31-2016, 04:47 PM
 
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I agree. If you look at Ronda's wins they were all due to submission or being able to use her judo to clinch and punch out her opponent. Bethe Correa fought a dumb fight and allowed Ronda to get close, clinch her and tea off on her.

If you re-watch the Holly vs Ronda fight, you will see Holly kept Ronda at bay with her boxing/kickboxing and stuffing her clinch. Amanda did exactly the same thing. Ronda will have to seek out a top boxing/kickboxing coach and have top sparring partners to void that weakness. She will no longer be able to use her Judo as her main arsenal in that division.
I think her judo can still work. But no, it certainly won't keep her dominant like she was. And I did actually say this on youtube. If she came back, she'd win some fights probably, but she'll start losing more too, and won't rule supreme like in the past.

Bringing up Amanda, she fought a smart fight. She didn't just run out at Ronda, like many thought she would. People thought she was gonna pull a Zingano, and she didn't.

She stuck to her strength, which is her stand-up. She didn't get cocky and treat to beat Ronda at her own game to prove a point. So she didn't engage in Judo with Ronda.

She took lessons from the Holly fight, along with others in a breakdown vid. But she made things work for her style, rather than trying to go in and be a copy of Holly. Amanda is more aggressive and predatory. Holly is more patient and wait for you to come to her. But Amanda is able to be aggressive, but smart and not just run out and make slews of mistakes.

She was patient, moved in for her jabs. Didn't enrage Ronda too much. She made sure her shots counted, though some did miss. And she moved forward and walked Ronda down when she was basically out of it.
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Old 01-01-2017, 11:17 AM
 
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That Amanda Nunes hits hard.

Those were some hard shots landing on Ronda's head. The average American man would have been shook, rattled, if not knocked out cold by those strong connects Amanda hit Ronda Rousey with.

Ronda is a champ and has nothing to feel bad about (other than perhaps not performing well in the fight and having a history of believing too much hype about herself). She was champ enough to get in that ring and trade bliss with this killer woman she fought and stepping in that ring takes heart. She has had an accomplished career, and risen to professional elite heights few of us have ever done and will ever do and experience.

I think this fight further revealed Ronda Rousey is not a professional striker, and appears to be by boxing standards even a lack luster amateur boxer at best, certainly not on par with professional boxers.

My personal opinion is Nunes hits too damn hard for Ronda to ever win against her (aside from luck or a major mistake on Nunes part) by some reformulated strategy of closing a gap and grappling against Nunes. To grapple you still need your brains rather than being knocked silly into la la land.

Time for Ronda to seriously consider retiring permanently from the professional MMA circuit. No shame in that and Ronda do not take to heart envious statements made by men or women about your career. Objective criticism about your career is another matter but many simply like to gloat about your loss and dismiss any personal achievements you have ever made since the time you were a small child on the judo mat. It may be true a large part of your financial and fighting success in MMA was through media hype, maybe even careful selection of opponents, but such is the fight world.




https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0rxuBJ3lQoc


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EO-mxskYpO0

This is my first time being introduced to Amanda Nunes, never knew she existed until seeing online reports she TKO'd Ronda Rousey. She is an impressive fighter. She also has a very square chin, a boyish or manly face, and her physique is even boyish.

This could be natural genetics and just how she was born. Or it could be from years, starting kind of early, from taking steroids and/or growth hormones. If it is the latter the masculinization of the physique (making it what anthropologists term "robust" as opposed to "gracile"--e.g., the more square the jaw the more robust it is, the more slinder and rounded off the jaw the more gracile) will increase bone strength and durability, and work in tandem with increased musculature on the skeletal system to increase the physical power of that person.

Of course, without proper training on how to strike that inncrease in bone mass or robusting of the skeletal system won't make you into a lethal professional boxer or MMA fighter.
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Old 01-01-2017, 11:32 AM
 
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Shocking outcome. I can't believe she didn't get a single punch in, especially with the preparation she undertook. Was hard to watch and this is devastating for her.

Expecting her to annouce her retirement. She had a great career, hopefully invested her money right and has a future in acting and other endeavors. One chapter closes another opens. I hope she does not contemplate suicide again or go down a road of booze or drugs to ease things though.
Ronda and Floyd Mayweather began their specialties, like most elite professionals, early in their childhood development. For Ronda it was grappling via Judo, not boxing or kickboxing, and for Floyd it was the so-called "sweet science."

It takes many years to build up body instincts and reflexes needed in your combat specialty, like boxing, to successfully compete among the professionals and especially top professionals. Ronda is too old to get there in striking. It would probably take her to at least the age of 45 to develop those kinds of intuitive striking necessities. But by age 45 she would already be very old for professional combat sports. At her current age she can improve in the striking game but reasonably (aside from a miracle) only at a level that could make her good enough to fight competently in striking against amautuer strikers.


My view anyways.
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Old 01-01-2017, 07:39 PM
 
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Rousey's problem is her coach. 100% its her coach!! Armenian dude totally screwed her up soooo bad trying to get her to do stand up instead of her world class judo. Coach is a jerk. Coach is a poor poor coach. Coach himself has no skills. Dont know how she got hooked up with that loser. Even her mother told her before the loss to the hillbilly trailer park chick to dump that coach and stick with the judo.
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