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Old 01-02-2016, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Well they did destroy several entire planets in the process.
Exactly, higher stakes when it destroys an entire system. The previous Death Star would have taken much much longer to do so. This one you can aim and recharge rather than move and get into position for each planet. I don't know why people don't get this
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Old 01-02-2016, 06:09 PM
 
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The function and design of the Starkiller, however outlandish, wasn't the problem, but rather how poorly it was defended and how easily it was disabled, versus the two Death Stars.
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Old 01-02-2016, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Well they did destroy several entire planets in the process.
Good point. For this one, then, they had a much better ROI than in Ep IV. They only destroyed Alderaan with that.

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Old 01-03-2016, 10:25 AM
 
Location: MPLS
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"The function and design of the Starkiller, however outlandish, wasn't the problem, but rather how poorly it was defended and how easily it was disabled, versus the two Death Stars."
Also, we're actually made to care when Alderaan is destroyed. But an entire system? Meh ... on with the action!
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Old 01-03-2016, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Maine
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Keep in mind that the ending of Ep. IV didn't make much sense either. The Death Star shows up and spends almost half an hour orbiting around the main planet so that they can get a clear shot at the moon. Why don't they just blow up the planet? Blow up the planet, and I promise you, the moon is gone as well.

To really enjoy STAR WARS, you can't treat it as science fiction. It's a fairy tale in space. Don't overthink it.
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Old 01-03-2016, 10:55 AM
 
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I think Ren comes back from the experience, and destroys Snoke, and takes over, and sets out to find Rey and subdue her.
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Old 01-03-2016, 11:32 AM
 
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The function and design of the Starkiller, however outlandish, wasn't the problem, but rather how poorly it was defended and how easily it was disabled, versus the two Death Stars.
I think it was more that the First Order were confident they could detect any incoming attack, hence Han having to enter at light-speed in order to remain unnoticed. I agree though that it seemed a little to easy for the resistance and the x-wing attack lacked tension - we hardly see any x-wings being destroyed, for example. I would have preferred the Star-Killer base to have been built-up over the next few episodes and taken out in the finale, but I guess we'll see where the story goes.
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Old 01-03-2016, 11:55 AM
 
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Keep in mind that the ending of Ep. IV didn't make much sense either. The Death Star shows up and spends almost half an hour orbiting around the main planet so that they can get a clear shot at the moon. Why don't they just blow up the planet? Blow up the planet, and I promise you, the moon is gone as well.
Yeah, my daughter noted that the first time she watched it. I sent her to bed.

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To really enjoy STAR WARS, you can't treat it as science fiction. It's a fairy tale in space. Don't overthink it.
Exactly. It was sold from the beginning as "romance" and "fantasy."
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Old 01-03-2016, 12:14 PM
 
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I detect two different categories of expectations from persons going to see this movie, and I would bet they fall along these lines:

1. People who liked the prequels for their lengthy exposition hate this movie for the lack of it.
2. People who hated the prequels for their lengthy exposition love this movie for the lack of it.

Episode 4 was thought to most likely be a one-off (although 20th Century Fox had made some money with the "Planet of the Apes" sequels). But Lucas intentionally designed it to emulate old-school serials: Start in the middle of the plot, move fast, explain little. He certainly had hopes for a sequel, but that wasn't guaranteed by any means. Yet, Lucas deliberately wrote Ep 4 as though it was part of a continuing serial.

That was true of Ep 6 as well: There was no guarantee of a sequel.

Eps 1 and 2 were written with the guarantee of sequels, as was Episode 7. The concept of action to exposition changes a lot when you are writing as though there will be a sequel. My expectation is that because this movie was written with the guarantee of a sequel, the exposition will come later.
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Old 01-03-2016, 12:23 PM
 
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Also, we're actually made to care when Alderaan is destroyed. But an entire system? Meh ... on with the action!
I don't think anyone really cared much about Alderaan when Ep 4 was first shown--I certainly didn't. Alderaan meant nothing much until its significance was brought out in the prequels.
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