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I reread your earlier post. Anyways, I think that gun rights should come with required training on situational use, probably very similar to what training the police and military get. And more people would accept gun ownership if they had exposure to it in a positive and proactive atmosphere, instead of the negative press guns get when there's a shooting in the news. I think it should be regulated like the DMV, but so far there's no requirement for training, and I'm not sure that the law enforcement community and government would want to provide such training to civilians. So if CC is actually approved in NJ, you have to keep an eye out not just for the criminals, but for other civilians who may decide to play hero and have a gun on them, who may not know which end of the gun the bullet comes out of and know how far a bullet can travel after it passes through a human body at point blank range. I know this may sound somewhat hysterical but it's a valid concern IMO.
for a carry permit, i would accept a reasonable training requirement as a compromise. but right now, nj not issuing carry permits is a violation of constitutionally protected rights. hopefully the courts will intervene.
People in other forums don't believe me when I say that NY & NJ has such strict laws. I think its ridiculous. .
It is in no US state as difficult to legally obtain weapons and licenses as it is in a lot of other countries.
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Originally Posted by Adi from the Brunswicks
A friend of my dad was robbed in NY once, and couldn't protect himself from the intruders. He had to wait till the cops arrived, and in the meantime the armed and powerful robbers "peacefully" stole his hard earned cash and car . The vehicle, and stolen cash was never recovered by the police . By the time cops arrived, damage had already been done. We cant live in fear of criminals as law abiding residents. Some of you here may call this paranoia. But after speaking to a victim of robbery, it only takes just once to feel this way. .
The car was insured. To carry more then a few dollars is a personal preference.
Unless you are very familiar with your gun, your capabilities and prepared to shoot to kill you are likely to end up with a bigger problem then a robbery. Heroic self defense scenes and reality hardly ever meet.
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Originally Posted by Adi from the Brunswicks
Someone needs to extinguish these thugs, and its up to us if the cops cant make it.
Are you ready to look at someone and pull the trigger because he is a thug in your eyes? There was something along the line of ... until proven guilty ... .
It is in no US state as difficult to legally obtain weapons and licenses as it is in a lot of other countries.
The car was insured. To carry more then a few dollars is a personal preference.
Unless you are very familiar with your gun, your capabilities and prepared to shoot to kill you are likely to end up with a bigger problem then a robbery. Heroic self defense scenes and reality hardly ever meet.
Are you ready to look at someone and pull the trigger because he is a thug in your eyes? There was something along the line of ... until proven guilty ... .
When's the last time a criminal murdering or raping someone thought twice? Keep living in lala land with your ideas. Many people have defended themselves with guns but it's not televised on news.
Other countries ? Not many have the choice due to communist and tyrant government. .NJ has extreme laws with guns , maybe you need to educate yourself a bit.
Are you ready to look at someone and pull the trigger because he is a thug in your eyes? There was something along the line of ... until proven guilty ... .
You are right, so then maybe police officers should turn in their guns if thats how you feel
Whats your point. The statement I made is from life experience. If you know me and my position you would know that I believe that 25% of the people serving as police officers shouldn't be one. I don't make the rules.
so those people can choose not to have a gun. they can roll the dice and let the armed criminal decide whether or not they live. let other people make their own choice on whether or not they want to have the ability to have some say in whether or not they live. you also may be in a situation where its not just you but also your wife & children whose lives are now in the hands of an armed criminal. i would say that if you dont want to have a gun in that situation, that you dont care about your wife and children.
So tell me all about your tactical training in dealing with an armed adversary or adversaries and protecting your family at the same time. I've interviewed many a suspect that said all I wanted was their money or their car. If they would have given their stuff up, things wouldn't have gone bad.
So tell me all about your tactical training in dealing with an armed adversary or adversaries and protecting your family at the same time. I've interviewed many a suspect that said all I wanted was their money or their car. If they would have given their stuff up, things wouldn't have gone bad.
how nice of you to want to give your "suspects" exactly what they want. im not a big fan of accommodating criminals by ensuring their victims aren't able to protect themselves. i want to have a fighting chance and you don't have the right to stop me.
Are you ready to look at someone and pull the trigger because he is a thug in your eyes? There was something along the line of ... until proven guilty ... .
If somebody breaks into MY home, they are GUILTY! And they'll be eating lead! Have a nice day.
Whats your point. The statement I made is from life experience. If you know me and my position you would know that I believe that 25% of the people serving as police officers shouldn't be one. I don't make the rules.
Only 25%? My point is a lot of police officers dont know how to handle a gun.
Only 25%? My point is a lot of police officers dont know how to handle a gun.
Really?
NJ holds qualifications and requalifications semi-annually for all police officers. Officers must score at least 80 percent on each segment of the course to qualify. This was upped from 70 percent to 80 percent fairly recently.
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. The vehicle, and stolen cash was never recovered by the police 
. By the time cops arrived, damage had already been done. We cant live in fear of criminals as law abiding residents. Some of you here may call this paranoia. But after speaking to a victim of robbery, it only takes just once to feel this way. .
