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Just because MOST whites happen fall into being the majority of the population (not all, Arabs and Latinos are White and count as minorities) does not mean that wanting to help minorities automatically becomes discrimination against people of a specific color. That is a straw man if ever I saw it.
To be clear - there is NO indication that the grantor did not wish for any scholarships to go to people who happen to have white skin. None. Nada. That is just some chain yanking by the OP. The grantor just wished for more of the money to go towards what he or she saw as the disadvantaged, for whatever reason.
And this has NOTHING to do with the government. This is a personal gift, a very generous one, from a private individual. One we know nothing about.
I just don't know what to do with this. I will never convince you that 1. whites are a majority and 2. A scholarship aimed at minorities and women excludes white men.
You make a leap about what the donor wanted. How do you know the donor wanted the scholarship to go to the disadvantged? I see no evidence of that.
Again personal gifts no matter how generous that are objectively discriminatory should be rejected.
If we can't come to an agreement on my first paragraph please don't respond to it because we will wind up going in circles.
Yes but my point is that they are not interested in classifying someone based on the fact that they are from Europe. And some of these people are actually educated. This is a long held belief they have.
I witnessed this at a very early age. If I hadn't maybe I would be skeptical too.
Look there are stupid people everywhere. I must tell you some of the dumbest are the wealthy folk on the Upper East Side. You don't have to go all the way down south to find stupid. There is dumb on the left and the right. We all are more sensitive to the stupidty that is contrary to our beliefs and either ignore or dismiss as an outlier stupidy that agrees with our perspective.
If the donor had started a foundation instead of letting the school administer it -then it would have been fine?
There are organizations that are very specific that dole out scholarships and they are specifically for Italian Americans, Irish Americans, etc.
You never hear anyone complaining about that.
Look there are stupid people everywhere. I must tell you some of the dumbest are the wealthy folk on the Upper East Side. You don't have to go all the way down south to find stupid. There is dumb on the left and the right. We all are more sensitive to the stupidty that is contrary to our beliefs and either ignore or dismiss as an outlier stupidy that agrees with our perspective.
I never said they were dumb people at all. They have long held beliefs. Beliefs I don't happen to agree with and these are not necessarily terrible people who I would ignore or dismiss. Of course you don't need to travel to the south for any of it. But by marriage I am related to people like this. They are not bad people in every case- some of them have strong values in the sense that they are honest and very responsible, hard working, etc.
If the donor had started a foundation instead of letting the school administer it then it would have been fine?
There are organizations that are very specific that dole out scholarships and they are specifically for Italian Americans, Irish Americans, etc.
You never hear anyone complaining about that.
My whole arguement for 4 pages is I don't think anyone objects to targeted scholarships. It is offensive when it excludes only one race.
Starting a foundation, by an individual donor, and distributing scholarships to every racial groups except white men, is still offensive because its ends are the same. If however there were many different foundations or individuals targeting scholarships (assuming they weren't a front for one donor in order to discriminate against one group) not many people would care..
I just don't know what to do with this. I will never convince you that 1. whites are a majority and 2. A scholarship aimed at minorities and women excludes white men.
Both are true to an extent. My point is that excluding most white men from SOME of the money (you haven't responded to the fact that many white men are classified as minorities) by default isn't the same thing as deliberate discrimination and certainly isn't racism.
You make a leap about what the donor wanted. How do you know the donor wanted the scholarship to go to the disadvantged? I see no evidence of that.
I don't see how I am making any more of a leap about what the donor wanted than either yourself or the OP. The information we have is incredibly limited. As I said before, gifts of this nature usually come with reams of legal documentation. Without that, and based on the limited nature of the original newspaper article, this entire thread is based on unsubstantiated guesswork.
Again personal gifts no matter how generous that are objectively discriminatory should be rejected.
Based on the above, it isn't any more objectively discriminatory than any other gift that designates specific recipients. A religious scholarship defacto discriminates against athiests.
If we can't come to an agreement on my first paragraph please don't respond to it because we will wind up going in circles.
We are going in circles anyway. But we have kept it civil and that is always a good thing so reps to you just for not decending into ad hominem attacks like to many others tend to do.
I am heading off to sleep now. Goodnight and thank you for the civilized discourse.
We are going in circles anyway. But we have kept it civil and that is always a good thing so reps to you just for not decending into ad hominem attacks like to many others tend to do.
I am heading off to sleep now. Goodnight and thank you for the civilized discourse.
Ofcourse this is racist..But this is the New America- Minorities get everything, white males get nothing. If this was for just the whites only, do you think it would be labeled racist? Ofcourse it would!
Please...Minorities have more rights than anyone else. And also dont need to learn to speak English.
Welcome to the New America.
Give me the smallest of breaks. The heart beating inside of this poor white girls heart is just breaking... please.
Can anyone venture to guess what would happen if a grant was given and to be used for white men and white men only?
Well gee when there are scholarships for say - FENCING STUDENTS - who do you think they are going to? and yes, such scholarships exist.
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