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Old 07-04-2011, 01:54 AM
 
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The anti-gentrification argument is racist as well. Would you all be happy if a white neighborhood decided to start a movement to keep it white? Like let's say Boro Park started a "Keep it Kosher" movement or Howard Beach got a "Keep it real, Keep it Italian" movement. I bet you all would start screaming "RACIST" like your pants were on fire.

On this July 4th, let us honor our forefathers and other beacons of freedom like MLK and celebrate the idea of people not being limited on where they live based on skin color.
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Old 07-04-2011, 06:39 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Unfortunately most black neighborhoods in this city are ghetto. There are exceptions however, such as Cambria Heights, Laurelton, and Rosedale. Thankfully, these nice black areas probably won't see gentrification anytime soon.
Maybe not. Many of the Black residents in these places are moving back South or the Caribbean. I doubt everyone they sell too is Black. While traditional gentrification of white hipsters may not be in the offing a demographic shift from say Black to Hispanic or Asian is definitely possible.
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Old 07-04-2011, 08:23 AM
 
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Maybe not. Many of the Black residents in these places are moving back South or the Caribbean. I doubt everyone they sell too is Black. While traditional gentrification of white hipsters may not be in the offing a demographic shift from say Black to Hispanic or Asian is definitely possible.
What's happening in SE Queens is the African Americans are leaving and they're being replaced by Caribbeans, some Africans and some Hispanics. I grew up there and it's a very tough commute to Manhattan. But if you work in Queens or LI, it's ideal.

IMO, the gentrifiers aren't interested in what a Laurelton, Cambria Heights or Rosedale has to offer. These neighborhoods have a very suburban feel. They're very "working/middle-class," not edgy or gritty, have zero night life, no trendy stores or restaurants.

MAYBE ... if the schools improved ... this part of town might appeal to young couples of other races looking for a nice house and a small backyard.

The same houses that you'd find in Fresh Meadows, Bayside, Bellerose, Hollis Hills, etc., are in any of these neighborhoods and they're much cheaper. And, in Laurelton, south of Merrick Blvd, the houses are large, exquisite tudors.
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Old 07-04-2011, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Crown Heights
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The anti-gentrification argument is racist as well. Would you all be happy if a white neighborhood decided to start a movement to keep it white? Like let's say Boro Park started a "Keep it Kosher" movement or Howard Beach got a "Keep it real, Keep it Italian" movement. I bet you all would start screaming "RACIST" like your pants were on fire.

On this July 4th, let us honor our forefathers and other beacons of freedom like MLK and celebrate the idea of people not being limited on where they live based on skin color.
Anti-gentrification argument racist? So many of the Polish people being priced out of Greenpoint, I guess they just hate White people? I also have many Greek and Italian friends from Astoria who complain about the rising costs and the out of place condos popping up, I guess they hate "whitey" too?
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Old 07-04-2011, 09:31 AM
 
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Anti-gentrification argument racist? So many of the Polish people being priced out of Greenpoint, I guess they just hate White people? I also have many Greek and Italian friends from Astoria who complain about the rising costs and the out of place condos popping up, I guess they hate "whitey" too?
The anti-gentrification argument isn't racist, IMO. It's economic and all about getting priced out. As the poster above said, many neighborhoods that have gentrified or are in the process were historically all white. I'll add Woodside and Sunnyside to your list because although they are pretty much still solidly working class, and were once majority white, I expect higher income people will move there because of the proximity to Manhattan.
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Old 07-04-2011, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Bronx
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Anti-gentrification argument racist? So many of the Polish people being priced out of Greenpoint, I guess they just hate White people? I also have many Greek and Italian friends from Astoria who complain about the rising costs and the out of place condos popping up, I guess they hate "whitey" too?
True indeed. I know some italians who complain about astorias change, but it reels in alot of money for some. Its not rascist its pure economics. White nyc natives are totally different then the waspy transplants from breadbaskets and biblebelts.
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Old 07-04-2011, 09:59 AM
 
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True indeed. I know some italians who complain about astorias change, but it reels in alot of money for some. Its not rascist its pure economics. White nyc natives are totally different then the waspy transplants from breadbaskets and biblebelts.
Middle class and higher income level blacks gentrified Fort Greene and Clinton Hill, Brooklyn in the 90s. Those neighborhoods had been heavily poor black/Hispanic.
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Old 07-04-2011, 10:51 AM
 
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Unfortunately most black neighborhoods in this city are ghetto. There are exceptions however, such as Cambria Heights, Laurelton, and Rosedale. Thankfully, these nice black areas probably won't see gentrification anytime soon.
Or could it be that most ignorant people THINK that most black neighborhoods are ghetto? Hmmmmmm.....

I also love that fact that when 2 or 3 "non colored" people move into a "ghetto" neighborhood, and its automatically considered "up and coming".

I love posting here!! The comedy really gets me through my day!!
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Old 07-04-2011, 12:15 PM
 
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Gentrification is the best thing that happened to Manhattan and parts of Brooklyn. What needs to happen next is the abolishment of rent regulation laws, public housing, and Section 8. The market will determine where the ghettos are located and folks can keep it real in those places.
Right on!
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Old 07-04-2011, 01:41 PM
 
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Gentrification is the best thing that happened to Manhattan and parts of Brooklyn. What needs to happen next is the abolishment of rent regulation laws, public housing, and Section 8. The market will determine where the ghettos are located and folks can keep it real in those places.
And what about the people that fall between the gentrifiers and the poor? Where will they live? My issue with gentrification has nothing to do with race. It's about the loss of affordable housing for working, middle-class families.
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