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Anywhere in the country, if someone is driving erratically down the road, at a minimum the cops would stop them. They would definitely check out their driver's license. They might test their breathe for alcohol.
Definitely if the person was drunk or high, they may also search the person or car.
This is a form of stopping and frisk. Its perfectly LEGAL so LONG as there is a reason to do so. And that's something people on both sides forget in these ridiculous arguments.
Now if someone is walking down the street and hasn't done anything to anyone and has not been observed to break or be breaking the law, stopping and frisking that person is unreasonable search and seizure.
In its present form, isn't obviously isn't working that well if 90% of the people stopped have nothing on them. Its why you had the federal lawsuit, and its why de Blasio got elected. Neither the judge nor de Blasio want to end stop and frisk. They want to restrict it and focus it.
If someone has actually committed a crime, is about to commit one, or is in the process of committing one, then they can be stopped and frisked. You constitutionally cannot be stopped and frisked because of your race, gender, nationality, sexual orientation, or even because of the way your dress. But you can be stopped and frisked for things such as fare evasion, loitering (standing in front of a building at 3 am in the morning, etc).
Of course majority of them are innocent, that's the whole point; to prevent would-be criminals to be doing something illegal or carrying weapons or drugs. They know better than to do that now that S&F is in effect. They should show a statistic that shows S&F "victims" that already have criminal records. Anyone living or acting the ghetto life can expect it.
Of course majority of them are innocent, that's the whole point; to prevent would-be criminals to be doing something illegal or carrying weapons or drugs. They know better than to do that now that S&F is in effect. They should show a statistic that shows S&F "victims" that already have criminal records. Anyone living or acting the ghetto life can expect it.
There's no such thing as a would be criminal. Either you are a criminal or you aren't.
The cops can't just search your house for drugs or weapons. They have to have a warrant, and those are only issued when there's reasonable evidence/suspicion.
Constitutionally, you cannot search someone or someone's property unless there is reasonable suspicion. Looking ghetto or even acting ghetto in and of itself is not reasonable suspicion UNLESS while doing so you are doing or observed to have done something illegal.
Btw, stop and frisk has not eliminated drugs from NYC. Most of the time when drug dealers are caught it happens when someone TURNS them in or sets them up.
This has to be a lie! Don't you read the other comments, which insist that all young men of color are being S&Fed constantly on the streets of NYC, for no other reason than their race!
SeriouslyII haven't. Its the way how you carry yourself that cops will randomly stop you. I even been to ENY and back and never stopped and frisk. Walked through nice quaint neighborhoods in Midwood and again never been stop and frisked. I wear hoodies covering half of my face sometimes and again never stoped and frisked by authorities. Hell I even know whites who have been stopped and frisk just because they were in the wrong neighborhoods and cops assume these folks were buying drugs. That's what happens when persons dress ghetto.
SeriouslyII haven't. Its the way how you carry yourself that cops will randomly stop you. I even been to ENY and back and never stopped and frisk. Walked through nice quaint neighborhoods in Midwood and again never been stop and frisked. I wear hoodies covering half of my face sometimes and again never stoped and frisked by authorities. Hell I even know whites who have been stopped and frisk just because they were in the wrong neighborhoods and cops assume these folks were buying drugs. That's what happens when persons dress ghetto.
Cops also observe your activities. Can you be found hanging out here and there in the streets at all hours? That makes it much more likely that cops will stop you. I always just went to wherever I had to go and did whatever I needed too. I never stood around on the street corner. If you hang out like that all the cops will get to know you.
An RT link? Really?
What does a single incident in Rochester, have to do with S&F in NYC?
Further, there is no suggestion in the article, that the situation has anything to do with S&F. There had been complaints about the location, the officer (rightly or wrongly) told the assemblage to move, they didn't, and were arrested. He wasn't suspecting them of a crime, he didn't stop them (they were already stopped) and did not frisk anyone.
I realize that there are more windmills out there, to concern you, but please stop telling us about them.
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