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The woman launches a tirade against black immigrants and how they shame her. I point out that there is a lot that really ought to shame her that she ignores. And that nannies are the least of either her problems or of the problems which face blacks living in NYC.
You are now trying to turn this into some AA vs. Caribbean issue. Certainly not I.
Africa was destroyed by European colonialism. No more needs to be said.
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The OP was trolling. What part of that do you not understand? No amount of discourse can sway her, because she is trolling.
Of course there are plenty of issues affecting Blacks in NYC that are far worse than the fact that many Black women work in low level service jobs (at least they are working, and there is no shame in that).
Why cant black Americans, who live in the richest country in the world, create a large and sustainable capitalist class, in the way that Asians, and increasingly Hispanics have achieved?
Korea liaises with its Diaspora here, as does India. Yet Africa cant liaise with black Americans, as South Africans discovered when apartheid ended and the new government thought that beneficial ties could have been developed.
The answer is related.
Now you can claim that African and Caribbean people are lazy as they run "black" countries which remain poor. Yes impoverished nations with massive debt and limited expertise.
And we will respond equally that black Americans are lazy people who live in a country which offers many opportunities, but they refuse to take advantage of it.
Don't know what that will solve though, and the mere fact that you pose that question shows that you have a lot to learn about the world and how it operates. If you think that white people aren't as powerful throughout the world as they are in the world of the American black you are truly naïve.
It seems like you're going TIT for TAT, because you feel Caribbeans are under attack. The woman who asked that question probably could word it better, but the question still stands.
Why were Asian nations able to move forward economically in ways Black majority nations have yet to do so? Counting on the fact that whites are as powerful everywhere in the world. That didn't stop economic development in East or South Asia.
Just because some Black asks this question does not mean you have to get hyper defensive.
Is there any solution to the apparent lack of Black economic progress?
I actually do have ideas on this. Post colonialism, many African nations because allies of the Soviet Union,and unfortunately a lot of people of color bought into socialist ideas. Many Black Americans got sucked into the war of poverty nonsense and became dependent on welfare. Nations in Latin America that have lots of Blacks also went communist like Cuba (or went socialist). Colombia (has a lot of Blacks) was torn apart in civil war. Brazil had an oppressive racist government that also went semi socialist. A number of African nations had terrible ethnic civil wars that were exploited by the Soviet Union and the US.
A variety of factors screwed up the development of a Black capitalist class worldwide. Not that there isn't now a decent Black capitalist class in Africa and the Caribbean (and even somewhat in the US and Latin America) but the above factors have stymied its development to the point where its going to take a lot of work to further develop it, both in the US and in other countries.
Notice how I answered a simple question without getting into AA vs Caribbean rivalry. Really, you should stop being so defensive.
In the case of certain complaining African Americans, there's no need to overrationize or explain their behavior. Some people are just STUPID as HELL and you have them in every race or nationality of people. Obviously there's nothing wrong with Caribbean and African women working as nannies, and quite clearly these complaining African Americans are unable to hire them. So there should not be any beef.
In terms of many AAs having Caribbean ancestors, perhaps all do at some point. Some of my ancestors lived in Florida when it was a Spanish colony. I get asked all the time if I am Dominican, Cuban, Jamaican, or Trinidadian. The reality is I do share common ancestries with Caribbean people. I had my dna tested and I'm a combination of West African, Southeastern African Bantu, European, and South Asian descent.
Because of the racism we had pre civil rights, everyone was dumped into a vague "Black" category. Big waves of recent immigration challenged that, plus interested Black Americans looked up their records and had their dna tested.
Wanted to add--some Caribbean blacks are the descendants of black people who were originally in what is now the US. At the end of the Revolution, when the Brits were pulling their ships, they sometimes offered the opportunity for the slaves to leave with them. In his book, Slaves In The Family, Edward Ball relates how about 12,000 South Carolina slaves left their plantations and got in British ships in Charleston Harbor. Most of those slaves were dropped off in Jamaica.
How come nobody complains about cute barely-legal European women working as nannies?
LOL. Years ago, a coworker got a 21-year-old British nanny through some agency to live in and watch her kids. Then her husband kept coming to bed later and she went down one night and found him mixing drinks for himself and the nanny. The nanny was gone the next day. She related this story at work, and a Black coworker said, "I TOLD you in the first place to get a big fat older Black woman to take care of your kids!"
Wanted to add--some Caribbean blacks are the descendants of black people who were originally in what is now the US. At the end of the Revolution, when the Brits were pulling their ships, they sometimes offered the opportunity for the slaves to leave with them. In his book, Slaves In The Family, Edward Ball relates how about 12,000 South Carolina slaves left their plantations and got in British ships in Charleston Harbor. Most of those slaves were dropped off in Jamaica.
Some Black Americans, along with some Caribbean people were brought to work on the banana plantations and build railroads in Central America. So Some Black Hispanics are the descendants similarly of Black people who were living in the US. Some Blacks also escaped slavery and went to Mexico (Mexico already had some Blacks live there from the Spanish colonial era). A large number of Mexicans have at least some African dna from this.
Some Black Americans, along with some Caribbean people were brought to work on the banana plantations and build railroads in Central America. So Some Black Hispanics are the descendants similarly of Black people who were living in the US. Some Blacks also escaped slavery and went to Mexico (Mexico already had some Blacks live there from the Spanish colonial era). A large number of Mexicans have at least some African dna from this.
Interesting, thanks for sharing that.
Also, the first black slaves in my home state of New Jersey came from Barbados, not directly from Africa. John Berry was granted a large area of land and brought his slaves from Barbadoes to work the rich soil in the area that is now part of Bergen County around Hackensack. This area was originally named New Barbadoes.
It seems like you're going TIT for TAT, because you feel Caribbeans are under attack. The woman who asked that question probably could word it better, but the question still stands.
Why were Asian nations able to move forward economically in ways Black majority nations have yet to do so? .
Why have Asian and even Hispanics moved ahead of blacks in the USA? The answer will be EXACTLY the same as why small Caribbean nations have failed to move ahead. Indeed most of the business elites in those countries aren't black, for reasons very related to why most merchants in black neighborhoods in the USA aren't.
One cannot ask these questions in isolation from each other. If blacks in the country which is the world's richest and center of innovation cant make it, then why would some little African country, which barely had roads when it attained independence, and where the biggest export is peanuts?
You are the one who made this a Caribbean vs. black American issue. I pointed out to her as an African American that she owed it to her AA sisters to help them, even as she showed (fake) concern for black immigrants. I fail to see how that is a Carib vs AA thing. It is about getting her to focus on what the larger issue was, if indeed she felt that her well being resides in what she thinks whites think of her.
Focus issues on the Wakefield thread where YOU introduced a West Indian thing.
Why have Asian and even Hispanics moved ahead of blacks in the USA? The answer will be EXACTLY the same as why small Caribbean nations have failed to move ahead. Indeed most of the business elites in those countries aren't black, for reasons very related to why most merchants in black neighborhoods in the USA aren't.
One cannot ask these questions in isolation from each other. If blacks in the country which is the world's richest and center of innovation cant make it, then why would some little African country, which barely had roads when it attained independence, and where the biggest export is peanuts?
You are the one who made this a Caribbean vs. black American issue. I pointed out to her as an African American that she owed it to her AA sisters to help them, even as she showed (fake) concern for black immigrants. I fail to see how that is a Carib vs AA thing. It is about getting her to focus on what the larger issue was, if indeed she felt that her well being resides in what she thinks whites think of her.
Focus issues on the Wakefield thread where YOU introduced a West Indian thing.
I did not introduce a West Indian thing in Wakefield. I said predominately white neighborhoods in NYC are better kept up and maintained than predominately Caribbean neighborhoods in NYC. I also said, which you and some Caribbeans chose to ignore, that predominately AA neighborhoods are poorly maintained.
Generally speaking, predominately white neighborhoods in NYC look much better than neighborhoods that are predominately full of people of color. You have better businesses, better upkeep of homes, better maintained buildings (more money is invested in them) and yes, professionally maintained and landscaped yards.
Why me pointing out the truth is so upsetting is beyond me!
If someone said a lot of AA's in NYC live in housing projects I would not take offense because its TRUE. There's no reason for me to have a false loyalty to AAs to the point where I have to deny reality. Similarly, there is no reason for Caribbean people to fall apart just because I said their neighborhoods don't look as good as white neighborhoods. They don't.
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