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Old 05-27-2016, 05:19 PM
 
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If you were unemployed and had your unemployment benefits terminated by the Governor and others of his political ilk, you're probably not an "adoring sycophant". If you were waiting for semi-affordable health care and were too rich for medicaid, but too poor for the then-available individual plans, Pat McCrory has been an economic disaster or an ignorant Angel of Death for many North Carolina citizens. Bev Perdue was a democratic idiot followed by a republican idiot, our Pat McCrory! They both have stunk to the high heavens and serve to remind the citizens of this state of the consistently poor quality of gubernatorial candidates in the recent past. We'll see in November, whether Roy Cooper can break out of the mold of mediocrity that has afflicted this state for far too long!
Pat McCrory didn't end unemployment, he reduced it to a more reasonable amount. He also hasn't ruled out Medicaid expansion, only that there would need to be more state control for him to sign on. The current expansion is unsustainable and that's why 18 other states have also opted out.

Studies show that, when expanded, 60% of new enrollees drop their private insurance to do so. That would put a huge strain on taxpayers to cover what had been covered personally. Obamacare is already beginning to fail and insurers are jumping ship. It's obvious the federal government won't be able to keep the 90% matching commitment that the expansion is based on.

Are you sure you're in the right state? North Carolina was never the prototypical welfare state and never will be. Maybe you'd be happier somewhere else? By your measure, no one that could ever be elected in North Carolina will measure up. We aren't a Bernie Sanders state.

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Old 05-27-2016, 06:51 PM
 
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I didn't like the guy at first, but in only 3 years, Pat McCrory has managed to pay off $2.75 billion in federal debt, save taxpayers $280 million per year in penalties, drastically reduce both personal and corporate income tax rates while creating a budget surplus, minimize tax waste on film and unemployment subsidies (which helped push the employment rate to its highest level in eight years), stand up to federal executive overreach and initiate increases to teacher pay to the highest level in the entire Southeast.

What did Bev Perdue do again?
Beveto was a horrible joke. Sounds like McCrory has a very good economic record. I am not sure about anything else with him, however. Our governor in FL has a very good economic record as well, but I can't stand him beyond that. Not sure if McCrory falls into the same category. How is he beyond the economics?
 
Old 05-27-2016, 06:56 PM
 
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Beveto was a horrible joke. Sounds like McCrory has a very good economic record. I am not sure about anything else with him, however. Our governor in FL has a very good economic record as well, but I can't stand him beyond that. Not sure if McCrory falls into the same category. How is he beyond the economics?
I don't know a lot about him on subjects beyond economics, but I know Charlotte loved him as mayor and he was always considered too moderate by most Republicans. The NCGA is a lot more conservative and I think he gets lumped in with them because he hasn't reined them in as much as Democrats would like.
 
Old 05-27-2016, 08:58 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Pat McCrory didn't end unemployment, he reduced it to a more reasonable amount. He also hasn't ruled out Medicaid expansion, only that there would need to be more state control for him to sign on. The current expansion is unsustainable and that's why 18 other states have also opted out.

Studies show that, when expanded, 60% of new enrollees drop their private insurance to do so. That would put a huge strain on taxpayers to cover what had been covered personally. Obamacare is already beginning to fail and insurers are jumping ship. It's obvious the federal government won't be able to keep the 90% matching commitment that the expansion is based on.

Are you sure you're in the right state? North Carolina was never the prototypical welfare state and never will be. Maybe you'd be happier somewhere else? By your measure, no one that could ever be elected in North Carolina will measure up. We aren't a Bernie Sanders state.
Reasonable by your standards ...alot of unemployed people might disagree! As for people dropping their insurance for Obamacare, well maybe their insurance didn't cover what they needed covered.

McCrory feigns thinking and dilly dallies about what to do about Medicare and Medicaid problems while the lower-middle class get screwed out of any medical help in the meantime.

No NC will never be a Bernie Sanders state. But in most quality of life measures, North Carolina ranks in the bottom third of states. Some of us would like to see it rise at least to the middle, but I suppose people like you are content to see North Carolina stay near the bottom of the barrel! If you think I'm unhappy here you'd be wrong. But I think you'd be even happier in Mississippi ...they have even more of what you like, than North Carolina has!

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Old 05-27-2016, 09:12 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Beveto was a horrible joke. Sounds like McCrory has a very good economic record. I am not sure about anything else with him, however. Our governor in FL has a very good economic record as well, but I can't stand him beyond that. Not sure if McCrory falls into the same category. How is he beyond the economics?
North_Pinellas_Guy - I think we've found something to agree on at last. Rick Scott is a bigger pinhead than Pat McCrory. He makes Governor McCrory look like Governor Jerry Brown by comparison.
 
Old 05-27-2016, 09:29 PM
 
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Reasonable by your standards ...alot of unemployed people might disagree! As for people dropping their insurance for Obamacare, well maybe their insurance didn't cover what they needed covered.

McCrory feigns thinking and dilly dallies about what to do about Medicare and Medicaid problems while the lower-middle class get screwed out of any medical help in the meantime.
You want it to rise to the middle through higher taxes and more subsidies. I'd prefer to do it through job growth and a strong economy. McCrory has done a bang-up job for the latter. If Cooper manages to get elected, maybe we'll see how well your way works.

Keep in mind that the states at the top of the quality of life rankings typically have entirely different demographics than North Carolina. It's unlikely we'd break the top ten no matter how much money you redistribute. It would be like saying Scandinavian socialism could work in an equatorial nation.
 
Old 05-28-2016, 04:59 AM
 
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You want it to rise to the middle through higher taxes and more subsidies. I'd prefer to do it through job growth and a strong economy. McCrory has done a bang-up job for the latter. If Cooper manages to get elected, maybe we'll see how well your way works.

Keep in mind that the states at the top of the quality of life rankings typically have entirely different demographics than North Carolina. It's unlikely we'd break the top ten no matter how much money you redistribute. It would be like saying Scandinavian socialism could work in an equatorial nation.
I guess NCs previous governors (mostly) Dem had nothing to with the high population growth, strong economy, and progressive state perception. McCrory and the state GA have already chased more jobs and businesses away than Easly and Perdue combined. Again, his poll numbers don't say great job. NC has been in the top 10 in most categories Pre-McCory and will be post-McCory in 2017 (well, depends on how much loot Pope is willing to forfeit, it's really a toss up right now).
 
Old 05-28-2016, 12:41 PM
 
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I guess NCs previous governors (mostly) Dem had nothing to with the high population growth, strong economy, and progressive state perception. McCrory and the state GA have already chased more jobs and businesses away than Easly and Perdue combined. Again, his poll numbers don't say great job. NC has been in the top 10 in most categories Pre-McCory and will be post-McCory in 2017 (well, depends on how much loot Pope is willing to forfeit, it's really a toss up right now).
Some did have a lot to do with it, but they were also more moderate than Easley, Perdue and Cooper. While the recent dustup has been bad PR, no one can claim McCrory as the worst Governor of the state, by a long shot.
 
Old 05-29-2016, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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by what measure do we have a poor quality of life in NC?

cost of living .. has to be pretty good.
climate ... has to be pretty good.
diverse geography - access to beaches and mountains, lots of parkland ... pretty good
traffic & pollution ... has to be pretty good for being about 10th in the nation.
public safety - pretty good, methinks. I guess I'd have to study per capita violent crime more to be accurate.
access to goods and services ... unless you're missing your former regional specialty (aka Wegman's or "real pizza" or whatnot)

rate of taxation, a controlled state budget? We have that.
A growing economy, and highly-educated populace? We have that.


Does everybody get paid what they want? Show me where that exists.
Does everybody get to do whatever they want? Show me that too.
Does everybody have their personal basic needs met by a government program when they cannot meet the needs themselves? Show me where that exists.

On the above 3, show me where they do it, with the other factors of QOL we have here.
 
Old 05-29-2016, 01:23 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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by what measure do we have a poor quality of life in NC?

cost of living .. has to be pretty good.
climate ... has to be pretty good.
diverse geography - access to beaches and mountains, lots of parkland ... pretty good
traffic & pollution ... has to be pretty good for being about 10th in the nation.
public safety - pretty good, methinks. I guess I'd have to study per capita violent crime more to be accurate.
access to goods and services ... unless you're missing your former regional specialty (aka Wegman's or "real pizza" or whatnot)

rate of taxation, a controlled state budget? We have that.
A growing economy, and highly-educated populace? We have that.


Does everybody get paid what they want? Show me where that exists.
Does everybody get to do whatever they want? Show me that too.
Does everybody have their personal basic needs met by a government program when they cannot meet the needs themselves? Show me where that exists.

On the above 3, show me where they do it, with the other factors of QOL we have here.
By any standard of important quality of life measures, such as lifespan, health and crime, North Carolina tends to fall into the mid-pack at best, to nearly the bottom at worst! One can even postulate that a lot of the positive changes to this state were initiated by the so-called "newcomers" over the last 20 years, due to the vast majority of them having greater economic and educational clout than the native population. I'm sure that statement will go over like a lead balloon!!! Most of these NC transplants have settled into the three major NC metro areas and while studies have found that politically, most NC transplants are "moderate" in their views, they tend to be more socially liberal than native-born NC citizens. This results in the major metro areas turning blue in elections. This is unlikely to change in the long or short term.

BoBromhal - Although you might disagree with a lot of my statements, you'll have to admit that all of these newcomers have helped you pay more than a few bills as a real estate agent. I doubt you'd be doing as well on the Mississippi delta. If Pat McCrory starts to alienate people who wish to move to North Carolina, it will surely show up on your bottom line. Be careful what you wish for!
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