People of PA--what's your opinion of Santorum? (York: buy, military)

[2nd trick op]

Originally Posted by mancat100

Your second paragraph is interesting. Your first paragraph is kinda nutty.

Only to someone so hung up on "statism" that he/she can't recognize that you can't have progree without economic, as well as personal freedom. Economic growth, unfortunately, starts out with the sort of low-pay, high-demand jobs that small-business provides ... and that our whining grown-up children and aged blue-collar castoffs dread.

Sorry, that's just the way it works; don't shoot the messenger because you don't like the message.

[mancat100]

Originally Posted by 2nd trick op

Only to someone so hung up on "statism" that he/she can't recognize that you can't have progree without economic, as well as personal freedom. Economic growth, unfortunately, starts out with the sort of low-pay, high-demand jobs that small-business provides ... and that our whining grown-up children and aged blue-collar castoffs dread.

Sorry, that's just the way it works; don't shoot the messenger because you don't like the message.

See, now this post makes more sense. I think there are arguable points in it, but it's not nutty. Thank you

[wanneroo]

Originally Posted by Geeo

A Santorum controlled country would have been pretty bleak what with government control of private behavior. Of course, we have a three branch government that would mitigate the damage.

So far I have not seen a Santorum federal government plan that will be regulating how you have sex, so until that appears I am more concerned with barack obama tramping all over the constitution and ignoring that three branch government as he has said he will do this past week on numerous campaign stops.

[mancat100]

Originally Posted by wanneroo

So far I have not seen a Santorum federal government plan that will be regulating how you have sex, so until that appears I am more concerned with barack obama tramping all over the constitution and ignoring that three branch government as he has said he will do this past week on numerous campaign stops.

Santorum has come out in favor of letting the states legislate peoples sex lives. That's just as bad. Whether the dictate comes out of Washington or Harrisburg, it's still an intrusion.

[Craziaskowboi]

Originally Posted by mancat100

Santorum has come out in favor of letting the states legislate peoples sex lives.

Better than lifestyle regulation at the federal level.

[mancat100]

Originally Posted by Gnutella

Better than lifestyle regulation at the federal level.

Maybe if you're a constitutional professor having a dicussion about federalism, not if you're the one potentially being intruded upon.

[wanneroo]

Originally Posted by mancat100

Santorum has come out in favor of letting the states legislate peoples sex lives. That's just as bad. Whether the dictate comes out of Washington or Harrisburg, it's still an intrusion.

What he has said is those things are state issues, not federal issues and as with the false horse George Step..blahblah put up in the debate about contraception, it's not even an issue, just media making it an issue. There is no one out there pushing an agenda that has anything to do with what goes on in the bedroom.

[mancat100]

Originally Posted by wanneroo

What he has said is those things are state issues, not federal issues and as with the false horse George Step..blahblah put up in the debate about contraception, it's not even an issue, just media making it an issue. There is no one out there pushing an agenda that has anything to do with what goes on in the bedroom.

See, even saying it's a state issue is a huge problem. He still holds to the position that, in theory, the state has the right to regulate the bedroom. If somebody holds that as a theory, that means IF THEY COULD they'd enact it. The fact that nobody is currently running on that issue is cold comfort. Politicians often end up doing things they don't specifically run on or at least try to make incremental changes that move things in a certain direction.

[Craziaskowboi]

Originally Posted by mancat100

Maybe if you're a constitutional professor having a dicussion about federalism, not if you're the one potentially being intruded upon.

Well that was my point. I don't think you can enforce stuff like that at any level of government, but at least some social conservatives seem to realize now that it can't be done at the federal level, so give 'em some credit.

[wanneroo]

Originally Posted by mancat100

See, even saying it's a state issue is a huge problem. He still holds to the position that, in theory, the state has the right to regulate the bedroom. If somebody holds that as a theory, that means IF THEY COULD they'd enact it. The fact that nobody is currently running on that issue is cold comfort. Politicians often end up doing things they don't specifically run on or at least try to make incremental changes that move things in a certain direction.

It's no issue at all, so why are people creating a false issue and problem out of nothing of substance? It's the media that whipped up this phony "issue" out of absolutely nothing.