10 Reasons Why Pittsburgh is Better than Philadelphia (Washington: safer, rating)

[Blackbeauty212]

Originally Posted by pman

despite your whole city claims there are neighborhoods in pittaburgh that have clearly been ignored. you do realize development patterns are market driven dont you?

Sure, but not the way there are in Philly. CC sucks the oxygen from the rest of the city getting anything of substance.

Downtown has not taken away from the attention those city Neighborhoods I've listed receives, and more Neighborhood are starting to come online as far as initiatives for revitalization focus. The West End to name one as well I think soon Allentown will start to get some political focus as it seems to be feeding off South Side and Mt Washington momentum, not there yet but its grass roots right now.

[Blackbeauty212]

Originally Posted by jay5835

More likely typical you refusing to let go of an argument.

It takes two last time I checked. Don't like don't come into the thread, that simple.

Don't start getting all authoritative and pompous about it. It's a public forum.

[pman]

Originally Posted by Blackbeauty212

Sure, but not the way there are in Philly. CC sucks the oxygen from the rest of the city getting anything of substance....Downtown has not taken away from the attention those city Neighborhoods I've listed receives, and more Neighborhood are starting to come online as far as initiatives for revitalization focus. The West End to name one as well I think soon Allentown will start to get some political focus as it seems to be feeding off South Side and Mt Washington momentum, not there yet but its grass roots right now.

Philadelphia has no money for initiatives. downtown isn't sucking oxygen away from anyone,
development is moving perhaps more rapidly in neighborhoods where small scale (read non-union) construction is possible
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and even in places long ago left for dead such as francsville (in decline since the race riots in the 60's), north philly, and kensington
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you can criticize rendell all you want for gambling on center city when the street had its brush with bankruptcy back in '92 but he was right. development has spread in concentric waves out from center city over the last 15 years. add to it the powerful force that is Upenn has completely transformed huge swaths of university city and now drexel is doing the same around 30th st station and temple on north broad...to say nothing of plans for far south philly

Navy Yard Plan Update Focuses On Storm Water Runoff | Hidden City Philadelphia
north philly, this one actually subsidized by the city

http://hiddencityphila.org/2011/12/paseo-verd/

as an aside, did you know that the man francsiville was named for was the same man who handled selling off the initial parcels of land in Pittsburgh for the Penn family?

[BR Valentine]

Originally Posted by Blackbeauty212

My data source is one used by many stat nuts here in the Pittsburgh forums, so I would argue it's less the "optimal"

Then please put them up, any can sit on a forum and Monday Morning Quarterback arguments. No you shouldn't have responding Wise Guy! Cool Your Jets.

Just so you know this always happens when Die-hard Philadelphia homers try to come into the Pittsburgh forum and lay the so-called "smackdown" on the Burgh without having their Sh*T together. As Summer often does.

Since the end of the time period covered in your chart, Pittsburgh's metro GDP has grown at a faster rate than Philadelphia's as opposed to the opposite outcome for the time period you used. Now I realize that handing out smackdowns and being an internet tough guy is time-consuming. But maybe you can take a minute from your busy schedule and look up the GDP data for 2010 and 2011 and add them to your graphic. The pointlessness and incoherence of the Pittsburgh vs Philadelphia debate notwithstanding, you're better off including data from those years since you are arguing that Pittsburgh's GDP is "NOT that far" from Philadelphia's. You're welcome.

[TheBigGeo08]

This thread is hilarious. In fact it gives a bigger comedic fix than Leno or Letterman. Pittsburgh is better than Philly in your dreams...Pittsburgh never had the arts scene or urban character Philly does and downtown Pittsburgh is more lifeless than Philly's suburbs.

[Hopes]

Originally Posted by jay5835

More likely typical you refusing to let go of an argument.

That's it!

Originally Posted by Blackbeauty212

It takes two last time I checked. Don't like don't come into the thread, that simple.

Jay was in this thread long before you came into it and ruined it.

[jay5835]

Originally Posted by Hopes

Jay was in this thread long before you came into it and ruined it.

Yeah. Gotta see my peeps Heaven Wood and Clark Park from the old neighborhood.

[jay5835]

Originally Posted by jay5835

Pittsburgh does have its own excellent brand of sour cream, however. No carageenan, guar gum, or other additives.

BL Sour Cream

NB: I've only had the sour cream, and it is my favorite brand.

EDIT: The BL does have the stabilizers. It's another brand, Daisy, that is without. But BL is very nice on top of chili.

[RightonWalnut]

Blackbeauty. I know I posted this before but you can't seem to understand or comprehend a thing anyone from Philadelphia says due to your pure hatred for Philadelphia. Do you understand that things have changed? Just in the past 10 years Philadelphia has revitalized itself faster than any city aside from D.C.

Here is a list of areas in Philadelphia proper that are not ghetto:

Center City
No point in listing neighborhood names here... you get the point

South Philadelphia
Graduate Hospital (Southwest Center City or South of South)
Hawthorne
Bella Vista
Queen Village
Pennsport
Wharton
Italian Market
Passyunk Square
East Passyunk Crossing
Whitman
Moyamensing
Girard Estate/Wilson Park
Marconi Plaza
Sports Complex
Packer Park
The Navy Yard (being revitalized)
Newbold (being gentrified)
Dickinson Narrows (being gentrified)
Point Breeze (being gentrified)
West Passyunk (being gentrified)
Grays Ferry (early stages of gentrification occurring)

West Philadelphia
University City
Powelton Village
Spruce Hill
Woodland Terrace
Clark Park
Squirrel Hill
Cedar Park
Southwest Cedar Park
Garden Court
Wynnefield Heights
Wynnefield
Belmont Village
Overbrook Farms
Overbrook Park
Overbrook (parts middle class, other parts lower class)
Haddington (parts middle class, other parts lower class)
Cobbs Creek (parts middle class, other parts lower class)
East Parkside (parts middle class, other parts lower class)
West Parkside (parts middle class, other parts lower class)
Walnut Hill (being gentrified)
Mantua (being gentrified)
West Powelton (being gentrified)
Dunlap (being gentrified)
Haverford North (being gentrified)

Southwest Philadelphia
Eastwick
Penrose
Elmwood Park (parts middle class, parts working class)
Angorra (working class)
Paschall (working class)

Lower North Philadelphia
Fairmount
Spring Garden
Northern Liberties
Poplar
Yorktown
Norris Square (working class)
Spring Arts (being gentrified)
Brewerytown (being gentrified)
West Poplar (being gentrified)
Francisville (being gentrified)
Templetown (being gentrified)
Olde Kensingron (being gentrified)
Ludlow (being gentrified)
Sharswood (southern and eastern portions being gentrified)
Hartranft (western portion being gentrified)
North Central (eastern portion being gentrified)

Riverwards
Fishtown
Kensington (being gentrified, other portions working class)
Port Richmond (middle class and working class)
Bridesburg (middle class and working class)

Upper North Philadelphia
East Oak Lane
West Oak Lane
Stenton
Temple Hospital area (being gentrified)
Logan (parts middle class, parts working class, parts lower class)
Olney (though it has declined, there are areas still middle class and working class)
Fern Rock (working class)
Ogontz (working class)

Northwest Philadelphia
Manayunk
Chestnut Hill
Germantown (West Germantown and Penn-Knox are middle class, East Germantown is lower class)
Andorra
East Falls
East Mt. Airy
West Mt. Airy
Roxborough
Wissahickon

Northeast Philadelphia
The entirety of Northeast Philadelphia is nice save for Frankford, Oxford Circle, Castor Gardens, Juniata Park, parts of Wissanoming, parts of Lawncrest

Hmm that sounds like everything is ghetto except for Center City to me

You want a list of ghetto areas?

South Philadelphia
Point Breeze (although it is being gentrified)
Dickinson Narrows (although it is being gentrified)
Grays Ferry (early stages of gentrification)

West Philadelphia
Parts of Mantua (although it is being gentrified)
Parts of Haverford North (although it is being gentrified)
Parts of Dunlap (although it is being gentrified)
Parts of East Parkside
Parts of West Parkside
Belmont
Cathedral Park
Mill Creek
Carroll Park
Parts of Overbrook
Parts of Haddington
Parts of Cobbs Creek

Southwest Philadelphia
Kingsessing
Bartram Village
Mount Moriah

Lower North Philadelphia
Parts of Brewerytown
Parts of Sharswood
Parts of Ludlow
Parts of Olde Kensington
Parts of West Poplar (large project complexes in this area)
Most of Hartranft
Most of North Central (widely considered one of the worst areas of the city)
Strawberry Mansion (one of the worst areas)
Glenwood (one of the worst areas)
South Lehigh (one of the worst areas)
Fairhill (one of the worst areas)

Riverwards
Parts of Kensington
West Kensington (one of the worst areas)
Harrowgate (one of the worst areas)

Upper North Philadelphia
Allegheny West (one of the worst areas)
Tioga/Nicetown (one of the worst areas)
Hunting Park (one of the worst areas)
Feltonville (one of the worst areas)
Parts of Logan
Parts of Olney
Parts of Ogontz

Northwest Philadelphia
East Germantown

Northeast Philadelphia
Juniata Park
Frankford
Oxford Circle
Castor Gardens
Parts of Wissinoming
Parts of Lawncrest

If you want to bash Philadelphia in the future, at least know what you are talking about.

[jay5835]

Originally Posted by Summersm343

Blackbeauty. I know I posted this before but you can't seem to understand or comprehend a thing anyone from Philadelphia says due to your pure hatred for Philadelphia.

Can't you just put your stick away and stop poking? You're as bad as she is.