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So you don't think that people living in rural areas should have access to health care. Is that correct? That they should be additionally taxed to drive the 120 mile round trip (or more) to the nearest hospital or major medical facilities offering technology for testing, is that correct?
If they choose to live that far from basic necessities, they must choose to pay (and they already do, don't they?). What has that got to do with having access to health care?
If they choose to live that far from basic necessities, they must choose to pay (and they already do, don't they?). What has that got to do with having access to health care?
Access means getting there for treatment and physicians being available to treat, not insurance coverage as Obama would have you think.
So basically you are A-OK with a tyrannical government disproportionately punishing certain classes of people and not others. This times those people who are the producers of the food on your table because rural America is not as liberal as it once was and did not vote for Obama as a whole, in 2008.
Nope this is all about government control and a concerted effort to control population concentrations back to the urban areas. Marx would be proud.
As was mentioned, driving on a toll road is optional.
Once this tax is implmented people will be double taxed regardless of route.
Okay, what is one more post to inform those who can't comprehend properly, so here we go again: The reason I mentioned toll road was to bring home the point that equipping vehicles with a monitoring system is not the only option. People already pay tax by the mile, or fraction of, (and on top of gasoline tax), to drive on toll roads.
Likewise, the system could be extended on other roads. Of course, like toll roads, people wouldn't be forced to drive more. They can always choose to drive less (or more) as they wish. Driving more is always optional, just like using toll roads is.
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Acess means getting there for treatment, not insurance coverage as Obama would have you think.
So basically you are A-OK with a tyrannical government disproportionately punishing certain classes of people and not others. This times those people who are the producers of the food on your table because rural America is not as liberal as it once was and did not vote for Obama as a whole, in 2008.
Actually, access to health care, to me, means to be able to get treatment from a physician/surgeon, not a cab driver.
The ultimate big brother tax, limiting individual's free travel within the USA via taxation. Yet another layer of government bureaucracy with a new agency created: Surface Transportation Revenue Alternatives Office. How are you going to like having a government required device in your vehicle tracking your travel/miles driven, to be taxed?
Actually there is a task force already in place, set up by several states to look at this on the I95 corridor. Their goal is to replace the fuel tax at the pump with a per mile driven tax. This is backed by both the GOP and Democrats at the state level to offset the loss in revenue in state fuel taxes due to increased fuel efficiency. Of course, we could just keep the current system and not build or improve existing roads. Which will it be? I'd be fine with no more roads, but I doubt most people will, so the question is how will the roads be paid for?
The other option which the Bush administration floated was to begin the process of making roads private, and turning interstates into toll roads. That idea went no where fast.
The point is two fold, these efforts are bipartisan and someone has to come up with a plan to pay for roads or we have to stop building and maintaining them.
The ultimate big brother tax, limiting individual's free travel within the USA via taxation. Yet another layer of government bureaucracy with a new agency created: Surface Transportation Revenue Alternatives Office. How are you going to like having a government required device in your vehicle tracking your travel/miles driven, to be taxed?
Highway fuel tax already does that. Unfortunately, it's biased, so that higher fuel consuming vehicles pay a disporportinate amount of these taxes. Eliminate the fuel tax and go with this approach, at least this levels the playing field, so that people with higher mileage or alternative fuel vehicles pay their fair share. Now, if they extend this to bicycles, we'll be on to something.
How is that going to work for the farmer, rancher, logger or landscapers, snow plows(private road, farm ,ranch, parking lots.) etc etc
What I'm say'en is a lot of miles are put on these vehicles while "off road".
Should some one be taxed the same if they prominently drive on gravel roads as to a super highway?
Any "black box" can be defeated.
disconnect the speedometer, use a gps for your speed and miles traveled, a go around.
Would this be in lu of a road tax paid on each gallon purchased?
Would the states be able to add their own tax to this?
Maybe this is for those electric cars that don't use fuel but still use the roads with out paying a fuel tax.
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The ultimate big brother tax, limiting individual's free travel within the USA via taxation. Yet another layer of government bureaucracy with a new agency created: Surface Transportation Revenue Alternatives Office. How are you going to like having a government required device in your vehicle tracking your travel/miles driven, to be taxed?
You're not being forced to use an electronic meter either.
No, but you can't get electricity without one, by law and finances. But you knew that, just chose to ignor it to support your untenable position.
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Remember, you're among the people who have picked one possibility suggested by CBO and are running around with it.
Remember, you're among those who support this one possibility to the detriment of all citizens.
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But, toll roads do employ such ideas, no? That was my point.
Toll roads were created with prior tax dollars and at least a part of their revenue is used by the various states for things other than their maintenance. If this were to pass, it would be used by the feds and we all know how respondsible with money they are.
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That is happening with toll roads. They are funded with tax dollars and then people are made to pay using metering by the mile to use those roads, while they continue to pay tax dollars. So, we're talking business as usual
Not business as usual. No one is forced to use toll roads, much as you seem to desire that they be forced. In essence, they are private roads built and maintained by public monies. You don't seem to have a problem with this system which is in essense theft.
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Instead of all the complications, as I suggested earlier, I would fully support a percentage based tax like any other sales tax.
Or they could just tax you since you so totally support them and have no problem with their idea. That would leave the rest of us free to make choices.
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Your stupidity would render any argument a deflection
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The same has been said about your argument and proven by your own statements.
Highway fuel tax already does that. Unfortunately, it's biased, so that higher fuel consuming vehicles pay a disporportinate amount of these taxes. At least this type of approach levels the playing field, so that people with higher mileage or alternative fuel vehicles pay their fair share. Now, if they extend this to bicycles, we'll be on to something.
You make a good point. If the ultimate goal is to reduce oil usage, higher mileage vehicles by themselves won't cut it. A 60 mpg vehicle might get incentive for being a high fuel economy vehicle but driven four times farther as a 15 mpg vehicle serves the country no good.
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