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Those same Unions could have made moves over the years to "save" their City, but they chose to Drain it of it's life-blood. Now they will have to deal with that. I think they all thought they could kick that can down the road forever.
The same could be said of the companies where those union workers were employed but they could just take the $$$ they made and run, MUCH easier to just point fingers at the unions, eh?
Thats not true at all. I live here. They are knocking down buildings and homes to plant CORN. There are programs that the Business community tries to push forward, but they rely upon state funding, and once the state gets involved, there is little incentive to relocate to Youngstown, and not other parts of the state like Cleveland, another city crumbling.
And without those "welfare" benefits, businesses would be forced to pay their employees more.
Yes Cleveland has its share of decline, but things are looking up with all of the development downtown. There is still a lot of work to be done though. While Cleveland has one of the fastest growing downtown populations in the midwest, it is a bunch of 20 and 30 somethings with no kids and it is a transient group. If you want to attract middle class people back to the city, you have to make it business friendly for those who want set up shop in the city. Not to mention you have to fix the schools which are some of the worst in the nation. No middle class families are going to move into the city with the sad state of the schools, and the crime rate. Can it be done? Perhaps. But what I do know is that Cleveland is the largest city in northeast Ohio, and the 20 county area of northeast ohio has a population of 4.5 million. What happens to Cleveland will eventually trickle down to the rest of the region.
My wife's aunt is a bigwig hospital administrator just outside Detroit. These were her words when I saw her back in March: "Anyone with the means to leave Detroit has already left."
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Once again, tax cuts generate revenues, and dont come at a cost
This statement is so seriously and deeply misinformed that it doesn't even warrant discussion.
Yes Cleveland has its share of decline, but things are looking up with all of the development downtown. There is still a lot of work to be done though. While Cleveland has one of the fastest growing downtown populations in the midwest, it is a bunch of 20 and 30 somethings with no kids and it is a transient group. If you want to attract middle class people back to the city, you have to make it business friendly for those who want set up shop in the city. Not to mention you have to fix the schools which are some of the worst in the nation. No middle class families are going to move into the city with the sad state of the schools, and the crime rate. Can it be done? Perhaps. But what I do know is that Cleveland is the largest city in northeast Ohio, and the 20 county area of northeast ohio has a population of 4.5 million. What happens to Cleveland will eventually trickle down to the rest of the region.
Cleveland is losing population by tens of thousands
Ohio now has a Republican Governor, who is doing wonders to turn the state around. They were left with less than $1 in the states "rainy day" fund", and now has nearly $2B available, all the while cutting taxes to spur economic development.
Thats not true at all. I live here.They are knocking down buildings and homes to plant CORN. There are programs that the Business community tries to push forward, but they rely upon state funding, and once the state gets involved, there is little incentive to relocate to Youngstown, and not other parts of the state like Cleveland, another city crumbling.
And without those "welfare" benefits, businesses would be forced to pay their employees more.
In what part of the Mahoning Valley do you live? Where are they tearing down houses and buildings to plant corn? I have a house on Youngstown's west side, I am restoring a house on Youngstown's north side, I read the paper online almost daily, and this is news to me. What is happening is that, in a search for a viable use for the now vacant land in the city, some people are looking at farming.
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I'm just stating a fact. Detroit's decline is more complicated than that. It has been a long, slow decline. What I'm saying is that one should do the research first.
I agree, I was referring to those who want to point at only one factor (usually unions or blacks) as the sole cause of Detroit's tailspin while they so happily ignore things like companies that took all the $$$ they could and ran.
In what part of the Mahoning Valley do you live? Where are they tearing down houses and buildings to plant corn? I have a house on Youngstown's west side, I am restoring a house on Youngstown's north side, I read the paper online almost daily, and this is news to me. What is happening is that, in a search for a viable use for the now vacant land in the city, some people are looking at farming.
I'm in Boardman, and they are knocking down homes down Market Street, and Glenwood Avenue.. Calling them Corn "parks"..
The right wingers all the time, also "O'bummer" "*******s" "communists" "marxists" "socialists" and a slew of other childish names that Beck programs them with. It's all they do.
link to beck using the terms 'o'bummer' and '*******s'.
we'll wait.
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