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Old 07-19-2013, 11:19 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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Cleveland is losing population by tens of thousands

Population drastically declines in Ohio cities - USATODAY.com

Cleveland's population drop in east side neighborhoods results in cut in city council members

Ohio now has a Republican Governor, who is doing wonders to turn the state around. They were left with less than $1 in the states "rainy day" fund", and now has nearly $2B available, all the while cutting taxes to spur economic development.

Again, I'm aware of it's loss of population, which is a huge issue. One party rule, high taxes, and an unfriendly business environment has contributed to the flight of it's middle class, increase in crime and poverty, as with Detroit, and other rust belt cities. But, we're not Detroit yet. And we're not Youngstown yet. Cutting council members was wise, and it made no sense to have that large of a city council, when larger cities or cities comparable in size had smaller city councils. At any rate, there has been a lot of development in the city, with the new casino, the new convention center, the revitalization of the Flats, the Euclid Corridor, our booming health care industry, and infrastructure in regards to reconstruction of the inner-belt bridge.

As for Kasich, I'm not a Republican, but he has been doing quite well in turning the state around. Definitely better than the previous 2 knuckleheads Strickland, and Taft before him.

 
Old 07-19-2013, 11:21 AM
 
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Again, I'm aware of it's loss of population, which is a huge issue. One party rule, high taxes, and an unfriendly business environment has contributed to the flight of it's middle class, increase in crime and poverty, as with Detroit, and other rust belt cities. But, we're not Detroit yet. And we're not Youngstown yet. Cutting council members was wise, and it made no sense to have that large of a city council, when larger cities or cities comparable in size had smaller city councils. At any rate, there has been a lot of development in the city, with the new casino, the new convention center, the revitalization of the Flats, the Euclid Corridor, our booming health care industry, and infrastructure in regards to reconstruction of the inner-belt bridge.

As for Kasich, I'm not a Republican, but he has been doing quite well in turning the state around. Definitely better than the previous 2 knuckleheads Strickland, and Taft before him.
Well Kasich has the benefit of the national economy turning around at the same time, so I dont think most of its actually him, but it does show that if you cut taxes, you can grow the economy, increase revenues, and stabalize emergency funds.
 
Old 07-19-2013, 11:22 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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North Dakota has excellent climate?

Incidentally, most of the yanks who move here to NC hate the bugs and stagnant air during the summer. They only came here because of the lower cost of living, though I enjoy hearing them b**ch about how there's essentially no slow plows during the winter. Fortunately, the yanks who couldn't secure work will exhaust their savings quicker now that we shortened UE benefits, and consequently high tail it back up I-95. Win-win.
Having LIVED in NoDak I can say without a doubt that the winters are horrendous - that, and the lack of job opportunities led NoDak to have a shrinking or stagnant population for DECADES. The recent boom in the economy there happened for one reason and one reason only - the discovery and development of oil. It's certainly not because the state was GOP-led. After all, it's pretty much ALWAYS been GOP-led and yet for decades the economy stank and the population dwindled. To use the recent surge of the economy in NoDak as some kind of "proof" of the success of GOP policies is pure bunk. The GOP can't take credit for that unless they want to also accept blame for decades of economic contraction there. In fact, even TODAY the population is still not what it was in 1930 - nearly a CENTURY ago.

Ken
 
Old 07-19-2013, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Sacramento, CA
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Detroit is a sewer. The three most dangerous neighborhoods in America are all in Detroit; and four of the top 10. Top 25 Most Dangerous Neighborhoods in America
 
Old 07-19-2013, 11:27 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Well Kasich has the benefit of the national economy turning around at the same time, so I dont think most of its actually him, but it does show that if you cut taxes, you can grow the economy, increase revenues, and stabalize emergency funds.
Have they actually cut taxes? I know in NC they're cutting state income and corporate taxes but will begin taxing some services that were never taxed before. Remains to be seen who will benefit/pay but seems more like tax shifts than tax cuts.
 
Old 07-19-2013, 11:27 AM
 
Location: NJ
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The same could be said of the companies where those union workers were employed but they could just take the $$$ they made and run, MUCH easier to just point fingers at the unions, eh?
They were wise to run.It was a prudent business decision. Now the remaining residents should clean up their financial cesspool on their own. Man up. Make the hard decisions.
 
Old 07-19-2013, 11:31 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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They were wise to run.It was a prudent business decision. Now the remaining residents should clean up their financial cesspool on their own. Man up. Make the hard decisions.
Nice to hear from the "Corporations are the BEST People in the World" crowd!

IF corporations are to be treated like the 'people' the SCOTUS says they are, shouldn't they ALSO be burdened with some of the social responsibility people bear?

Or we should just kiss their collective ass and give them carte blanche, view things like Love Canal as the corporate birthright?
 
Old 07-19-2013, 11:32 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Nice to hear from the "Corporations are the BEST People in the World" crowd!

IF corporations are to be treated like the 'people' the SCOTUS says they are, shouldn't they ALSO be burdened with some of the social responsibility people bear?

People are free to run, too. 1.1 million left Motown.
 
Old 07-19-2013, 11:32 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Michigan should sell Detroit to Canada for a couple million dollars.
Good idea, then we could bomb the crap out of it and pay to rebuild it since it'd be in another country.
 
Old 07-19-2013, 11:37 AM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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They were wise to run.It was a prudent business decision. Now the remaining residents should clean up their financial cesspool on their own. Man up. Make the hard decisions.
What is prudent about shuttering a polluting plant and passing the costs of cleaning up sites onto the Federal Government, State Government and local taxpayers?

Companies and executives who take the money and run and leave a dirt trail behind them is anything but ethical.

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MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- Wisconsin lawmakers have approved plans to clean up pollution at the site of the Chrysler engine plant in Kenosha.

Supporters said the plan could help transform the 100-acre site of the plant that is closing into a viable location for future economic development.

The plan calls for cleaning up a dozen areas on the site contaminated by leaking underground tanks that stored petroleum and other chemicals.

The Legislature's budget committee on Thursday voted 11-3 to authorize the Department of Natural Resources to work with the city of Kenosha to begin the cleanup. The plan relies on $1 million in federal stimulus funds.

Opponents said the state should first try to get the money for cleanup from Chrysler during its bankruptcy proceedings.
Kenosha Chrysler Plant to be Cleaned Up - TODAY'S TMJ4

Corporations should have to put up a surety bond in the event they decide to leave an area without cleaning up their messes, so these polluted areas aren't just dropped into the taxpayer's laps.

The story and link above are about my city, and I'm sure Detroit has some sites that need cleaning up too, the auto and machine industry is very dirty.
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