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Old 06-05-2013, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Originally Posted by KUchief25 View Post
I'm not whining about anything just showing how you liberals only care about ONE life if there is a political victory involved. You are pathetic.

I guess you think everybody who is related (you have heard of being related by marriage right) can just throw their livers around too. Ignorance is something that shouldn't be advertised. You are good at it though.
So why didn't any family members donate? Were they tested for compatibility? All you need is a compatible blood type. Surely SOMEONE in the family has a compatible blood type?

 
Old 06-05-2013, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Originally Posted by Quick Enough View Post
"You hate"

WOW! That's pretty big assumption. Wrong of course but, hey to each their own.

"Clerk: Judge grants injunction in case of child who needs lung transplant

(CNN) -- A federal judge has ruled in favor of a 10-day restraining order that blocks U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius from applying a policy keeping children younger than 12 from being prioritized for available adult lung transplants, the judge's clerk said.

Clerk: Judge grants injunction in case of child who needs transplant - CNN.com
The policy was already in place. Sebelius was not enacting anything.

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Two days ago, the Murnaghans asked U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to change the rules. She has previously told the family that she doesn't have the authority to intervene in a particular case, but she also called for the policy review. Any change could take up to two years.
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Pennsylvania Republican Sen. Pat Toomey and Rep. Patrick Meehan co-signed a letter to the secretary saying in part, "You have the ability and authority to intervene to allow for Sarah and other children under the age of 12 to become eligible for adult organs."
They asked that Sebelius "direct OPTN (the Organ Procurement and Transplantation Network) to conduct an experimental variance" and that an example in Murnaghan's case would "help better inform the medical community's understanding of how these transplants work in pediatric settings."
From your link.

So do you or don't you want the government to make medical decisions? The current policy that has a pediatric, and an adult classification has been in place since 2005. The government did not set the policy.

The family,and legislators are pushing for an experimental variance.
 
Old 06-05-2013, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
Something about having a private convo with a nurse holding a syringe of Morphine while joking about killing patients does not ring true. Hospital administered Morphine is usually a IV drip. Terminally ill patients often control the drip. Cancer pain is often so great that the only relief occurs when the dose causes a loss of consciousness.

Patients have the right to refuse all end of life pain medication and instead spend their final days/hours in absolute agony.
Neither does his fictitious story about his dying mother.
 
Old 06-05-2013, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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How do the doctors know which person needs it urgently if they are in different hospitals?

there is no 'ranking" involved. Its about 1) when the organ is available 2) viability length (organs do not live forever outside the body) 3) distance that it must travel to get to the hospital in time.
Compatibility is also a huge issue.

When a lung becomes available for transplantation, it is given to the best possible match, based on blood type, size, tissue type, recipient's medical condition, cross match compatibility, the length of time the recipient has been waiting, and the number of lungs the recipient needs.

http://my.clevelandclinic.org/servic...gan_donor.aspx
 
Old 06-05-2013, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Here you go, KU. You don't have to be related.


Any member of the family, parent, sibling, child, spouse or a volunteer can donate their liver. The criteria for a liver donation include:
  • Being in good health
  • Having a blood type that matches or is compatible with the recipient's
  • Having a charitable desire of donation without financial motivation
  • Being between 18 and 60 years old
  • Being of similar or bigger size than the recipient
  • Before one becomes a living donor, the donor must undergo testing to ensure that the individual is physically fit. Sometimes CT scans or MRIs are done to image the liver. In most cases, the work up is done in 2–3 weeks [SIZE=2][9][/SIZE]
 
Old 06-05-2013, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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A Judge has ordered a 10 day restraining order to the rule. It will allow kids under 12 to get adult organs. I would guess that is the only way HHS would have the authority to forgo the rule, is by court order.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/201...ansplant-case/
 
Old 06-05-2013, 04:33 PM
 
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We can all fix this, go sign the organ donor portion of your drivers license right now.
 
Old 06-05-2013, 04:36 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Quick Enough View Post
"You hate"

WOW! That's pretty big assumption. Wrong of course but, hey to each their own.
Very well, then. Are you more comfortable with "intensely dislike"? And are you going to step up to the plate on this?

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Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA View Post
So outline the better alternative. With specifics beyond "let the DOCTORS decide", because that's what's happening already - doctors (smart ones) have crunched the numbers and tried to come up with a guideline that has the best chance of having the highest number of live patients.
As I said, I'm willing to listen.
 
Old 06-05-2013, 04:41 PM
 
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A Judge has ordered a 10 day restraining order to the rule. It will allow kids under 12 to get adult organs. I would guess that is the only way HHS would have the authority to forgo the rule, is by court order.

Judge Issues Restraining Order Allowing 10-Year-Old Pa. Girl To Be Temporarily Added To Adult Lung Transplant List « CBS Philly
I wonder if the judge has also decided which other patients are to be denied organs?
 
Old 06-05-2013, 04:49 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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false title. Sebelis isn't in control . The Organ Procurement and Transplantation Network . And if she gives preferential treatment to this one girl (sadly), that means other patients who have been waiting longer, who are in much dire need of organs get ignored.

Why is this GIRL special? Why should she receive an organ before someone who has been waiting for an organ for months? years?

This isn't a 'death' panel. When you have only 1 organ available and 1700 people need it, what is SUPPOSED to happen?


If you're so concerned, why aren't you in line, to donate your lung for this girl?
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Originally Posted by jackmccullough View Post
There are people who will use any excuse to tell lies about the Affordable Care Act and the Obama administration.

Disgusting, really, to exploit the suffering of this girl's family like this.
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Originally Posted by Spikett View Post
This has nothing to do with Obama, the IRS, or the doctor.
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Originally Posted by janelle144 View Post
That will be the story for sure but we remember sequestration was Obama's idea and they didn't need to go there if Obama had put through a budget which he hadn't done for months and months.
So - this has absolutely nothing to do with Obamacare - nothing. You've basically admitted that and THEN go on to blame sequestration (Obama's fault); budget (Obama's fault) . . .you just have no credibility whatsoever.
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