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Old 06-05-2013, 02:59 PM
 
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Don't be absurd. Nobody has suggested banning all guns. I have two, myself. Exaggerate
much?
Absurd........Obama said at a mid-day announcement at the White House, "if there's even one thing we can do to reduce this violence, if there's even one life that can be saved, then we've got an obligation to try it."

Now dear leader said this surrounded by children. If there is anything to save ONE life then we've got an obligation to try. Now you folks argue that one life means nothing. I guess banning guns is worth saving one life but eh somebody needs a lung who friggen cares right? Pathetic.

 
Old 06-05-2013, 03:00 PM
 
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I didn't even know that Jobs was moved to the front of the line. Did he petition Sebelius too?
No he donated a bunch of money to Tenn U. medical center.
 
Old 06-05-2013, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Absurd........Obama said at a mid-day announcement at the White House, "if there's even one thing we can do to reduce this violence, if there's even one life that can be saved, then we've got an obligation to try it."

Now dear leader said this surrounded by children. If there is anything to save ONE life then we've got an obligation to try. Now you folks argue that one life means nothing. I guess banning guns is worth saving one life but eh somebody needs a lung who friggen cares right? Pathetic.
What an ignorant comparison. What about the life of the person who was supposed to be next in line? his life doesn't count?
 
Old 06-05-2013, 03:02 PM
 
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Any proof he was moved to the front of the line? He waited well over 100 days...the median time for a liver transplant.
Well I have a relative who needs a liver transplant and you have to wait six months to even get on the list to begin with. So you can take your proof and shove it. 100 days my arse. She's been waiting for 2.5 years.
 
Old 06-05-2013, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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No he donated a bunch of money to Tenn U. medical center.
He still had to wait over 100 days...well over the median time for a liver transplant. If you have any proof he was moved to the front of the line, put up or shut up.

It would certainly appear that Jobs went to Tennessee in hopes of having an earlier surgery date. But without knowing the medical details, it’s impossible to speculate whether he jumped the queue once he was put on Tennessee’s list.

It seems unlikely. Newman told the Chronicle that the median wait throughout the country is 20 days for the most acutely ill patients and 100 days for patients at the next highest level of illness. Those are median waits, so half the people in those categories get into the operating room faster than that. News reports had Jobs seeking a liver transplant at least as early as January. His surgery was in April — well past the 100-day mark.
Did Steve Jobs jump the liver transplant queue? | MinnPost
 
Old 06-05-2013, 03:05 PM
 
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Absurd........Obama said at a mid-day announcement at the White House, "if there's even one thing we can do to reduce this violence, if there's even one life that can be saved, then we've got an obligation to try it."

Now dear leader said this surrounded by children. If there is anything to save ONE life then we've got an obligation to try. Now you folks argue that one life means nothing. I guess banning guns is worth saving one life but eh somebody needs a lung who friggen cares right? Pathetic.


he is a frigging liar to the core

he could give a flip about kids only his own and I question that!
 
Old 06-05-2013, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Well I have a relative who needs a liver transplant and you have to wait six months to even get on the list to begin with. So you can take your proof and shove it. 100 days my arse. She's been waiting for 2.5 years.
So what's stopping you from offering her a piece of yours?
 
Old 06-05-2013, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Traditionally, organs for liver transplant are obtained from deceased donors, after they or their families have given consent to be an organ donor. Unfortunately, there are not enough deceased donor organs available for today's growing list of people who are waiting for a liver transplant. Many patients waiting for liver transplants become too sick to undergo transplant surgery, and some may die while on the waiting list. If a patient can receive a portion of liver from a relative or friend, he or she has a chance to receive a portion of a healthy liver before becoming too ill to withstand transplant surgery. Live donor liver transplantation is a viable alternative for some patients.
In a live donor liver transplant, a portion of liver is surgically removed from a live donor (approximately one half) and transplanted into a recipient, immediately after the recipient's liver has been entirely removed.
Live donor liver transplantation is possible because the liver, unlike any other organ in the body, has the ability to regenerate, or grow. Both sections of the liver regenerate within a period of 4 to 8 weeks after surgery.

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Old 06-05-2013, 03:09 PM
 
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Absurd........Obama said at a mid-day announcement at the White House, "if there's even one thing we can do to reduce this violence, if there's even one life that can be saved, then we've got an obligation to try it."

Now dear leader said this surrounded by children. If there is anything to save ONE life then we've got an obligation to try. Now you folks argue that one life means nothing. I guess banning guns is worth saving one life but eh somebody needs a lung who friggen cares right? Pathetic.

There are only so many donor organs available. Pushing ONE person ahead of another because of sympathy, and not medical reason, you have chosen one to live over another.

Now what happens for the next child under the recommended age to receive an adult lung? Do they get pushed ahead too? What about the next? And the next?

This is why there are guidelines that are followed to get one of the limited supply that there is.
 
Old 06-05-2013, 03:10 PM
 
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He still had to wait over 100 days...well over the median time for a liver transplant. If you have any proof he was moved to the front of the line, put up or shut up.

It would certainly appear that Jobs went to Tennessee in hopes of having an earlier surgery date. But without knowing the medical details, it’s impossible to speculate whether he jumped the queue once he was put on Tennessee’s list.

It seems unlikely. Newman told the Chronicle that the median wait throughout the country is 20 days for the most acutely ill patients and 100 days for patients at the next highest level of illness. Those are median waits, so half the people in those categories get into the operating room faster than that. News reports had Jobs seeking a liver transplant at least as early as January. His surgery was in April — well past the 100-day mark.
Did Steve Jobs jump the liver transplant queue? | MinnPost
You are full of sheet. Where are you getting this one hundred days number? Pulling it from your arse? You get a liver based on your MELD score and other factors but that is the main one. The higher your score the farther up the list you move. Then of course one has to match. Average waiting time is a couple years if your lucky. YOU put up or shut up as you don't know what the hell your talking about. Now back to the topic Dr. Knowitallnothing.
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