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If you think that would be simple, you don't u//nderstand this country at all.
Interesting thought, but I notice very few RPG's and SAM's in circulation. Hard to buy silencers and armor-piercing shells as well. But I guess people who think it wise to take on an armed intruder might think it wise to take on the federal government as well. In neither case does this tend to work out well of course.
Two of the three make sense. The third one doesn't. Fighting is for dummies and a few pitiful testosterone-slaves.
Many states require that you make an effort to flee before resorting to a use of lethal force against an intruder, even in your own home. This is because fleeing is a valid harm-reduction strategy. Stand-and-fight is not.
not too worried about "harm reduction" for those that would illegally enter an occupied dwelling..
but again, feel free to cower & beg for your life in your own home..
we will never agree on this, like I said before, a ban isnt going to make 300 million guns just disappear, nor will it prevent them from being manufactured in garages and basements across the country. if anything, it'll lower the cost & increase the availability of machine guns.. (if all guns are illegal, why not make/smuggle full-auto weapons?).. enjoy your fantasy of a gun-free world.
That again??? Too much NRA. Bans are unconstitutional and no one in any case is trying to take your guns away. The object here is to reduce the very significant harm that is done by guns in the wrong hands and in the wrong places, but -- bombarded by nonsense from the NRA and GOA -- gun-nuts aren't having any of it.
Fairlaker, are you serious? Why do you want to remain helpless to defend yourself? This police officer isn't in the neighborhood 24/7. And honestly, most of the time the police are nothing more than a cleanup crew anyway. How often do they arrive during a crime and arrest the perpetrator? I'd be willing to bet that happens very infrequently.
Defending myself begins with assuring rather than risking my survival. I'm a fairly affluent person, but nothing in my home is worth my life. I suspect that nothing in your home is worth your life either. Why on earth would you let childish emotions convince you to put your life on the table against a stereo or flat-screen TV? Are YOU serious?
not too worried about "harm reduction" for those that would illegally enter an occupied dwelling.. but again, feel free to cower & beg for your life in your own home..
Cowering and begging would not typically be necessary, but they would certainly beat bleeding to death in your own home. Over a TV.
Interesting thought, but I notice very few RPG's and SAM's in circulation. Hard to buy silencers and armor-piercing shells as well. But I guess people who think it wise to take on an armed intruder might think it wise to take on the federal government as well. In neither case does this tend to work out well of course.
I wont argue about sam's, rpg's & armor-piercing weapons not being widely available, there is no demand for them, nor were they ever widely available in this country. silencers are actually not that big of a deal to make, nor are they hard to find, and they're actually quite popular in my area of the country in civillian use - I think the tax-stamp for a silencer is like $75~ish?.. I've seen people shooting with them at the range & that's one highly-controlled item that ought to be easier to get if you're truly worried about "harm reduction".. less chance of damaging your hearing while you're practicing if the gun is quieter..
Interesting thought, but I notice very few RPG's and SAM's in circulation. Hard to buy silencers and armor-piercing shells as well. But I guess people who think it wise to take on an armed intruder might think it wise to take on the federal government as well. In neither case does this tend to work out well of course.
Okay, then are you going to volunteer to go door to door collecting firearms? Tell them the government sent you, I'm sure that'll go over real well.
Defending myself begins with assuring rather than risking my survival. I'm a fairly affluent person, but nothing in my home is worth my life. I suspect that nothing in your home is worth your life either. Why on earth would you let childish emotions convince you to put your life on the table against a stereo or flat-screen TV? Are YOU serious?
You're assuming that all intruders are there to steal your possessions, but what if they're there to rape or murder you?
I'm not saying you should rush out and buy a gun. Clearly you would never use it anyway. But why do you wish to make it harder for other people who wish to defend themselves? I'm really confused by your posts. You keep saying no one wants to take away guns, but you also keep saying we could confiscate guns. Which is it?
I personally think that Zippyman is right about how dangerous just the mere talk of gun control is. I remember the militias in the '90s, and the many ATF raids after the assault weapons ban (which had so many loopholes it was pointless). There was Ruby Ridge and Waco, which ultimately lead to the Oklahoma City bombing.
Every single time we outlaw a legal product we create a black market, and this one would make Prohibition look like a walk in the park.
A 10 year clerk in a convenience store was approached by a man with a knife who was ready to stab him and rob the store. The clerk pulled out a handgun and probably saved his own life.
He was on tv tonight and he seems like a perfectly nice, easy going guy who simply wanted to live and go home to his family rather than end up in a hospital or a coffin. He's not really angry and says he will just get another job.
Ordinarily I don't like the idea of people having guns, especially handguns. Too many chances for them to get into the wrong hands (like the hands of a crazy person or a young kid). The store fired him because they have a no gun policy. He was registered to carry a gun though. He did know about the no gun policy. I think IF I had to work in a convenience store AT NIGHT, when there had recently been other INCIDENTS, and I was AlONE, I would want something to protect myself. Is there anything else he could have done? Is there some sort of better protection that the management could put in place rather than just putting guys like this out there to get stabbed and robbed?
The real reason the right to bear arms is in our Constitution is to protect us not only from criminals, but from a tyrannical government.
"You know the right to bear arms is because that's the last form of defense against tyranny...not to hunt. It's to protect yourself from the police."Ice-T
Which you took out of context, that having been the lies told by gun-nuts as to how guns make people safer when all the numbers say having guns in the home puts people at increased risk.
That would put me at exactly none of the risk that was earlier suggested. As for you and others who might need to live or work in areas with high rates of crime, stay out of the worst neighborhoods. Don't for instance go over there to attend seedy nightclubs or play poker in an alley at 3:00 am. Be sure that the security of your own windows and doors has been brought up to par. If you rent and cannot make exterior alterations, fortify one interior room -- sort of like a storm cellar -- to retreat to should times of trouble arise. Travel at sensible hours and via main and well-lit routes. Complain to management if workplace safety has been ignored by an employer. Oh, and stop over-reacting. Even high crime areas are not war zones.
People should keep themselves as safe as possible. See the steps above. Note that confronting people and brandishing weapons are not on that list nor any sensible other one either. If you are hell-bent on getting yourself killed, go ahead and ignore all sage advice and go to war against what you already know is a superior foe.
Those living or working in crime areas have a lot of street smarts to avoid trouble... we have to.
What is tragic is the number of children killed and shot from stray bullets...
This afternoon a year old was shot 2 blocks away from a gun battle in my city and the child is in critical condition at Childrens Hospital.
Notice I said this afternoon... not after dark, not at midnight or 3 am...
There was a time when the bad guys didn't even get out of bed before noon.... that was a long time ago.
A couple of months ago a 60 year old Grandfather I know was washing his car mid morning and two guys came up to him and demanded money... he had none and they said too bad for you and gut shot him... he died two hours later...
I wish it was not this way... fact is the world is not getting any safer and the cheif of police and mayor of my city have said so many times.
As mentioned... several in my family have been inocent victims of gun violence... wishing it did not happen will not make it so.
Unless you have lived it... there is really know way to understand.
There simply is not enough law enforcement to be everywhere... the police are not private security and may or may not respond...
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