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Old 12-11-2013, 06:13 AM
 
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Yet where is South Africa today. That article makes it seem like some productive giant when that is not reality.
The article was talking about what Nelson Mandela was doing for South Africa, not other Presidents such as Zuma and Mbeki. South Africa was doing better under Mandela. What has been happening was the result of the last President.
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Old 12-11-2013, 09:27 AM
 
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In the 1950s, South Africa was even better than now is, compared to other African countries
It was better for the white racists, sure.
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Old 12-11-2013, 09:30 AM
 
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Interesting facts!
The Soviet Union and China were among the earliest supporters of Mandela, financially and spiritually.
Mandela said he read Mao's books in prison and celebrated China's national day.
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Old 12-11-2013, 09:35 AM
 
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It was better for the white racists, sure.
The communists also thought their country was "only good for capitalists" and eventually they made everyone poor.
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Old 12-11-2013, 09:37 AM
 
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South Africa is still a third-world country with weak economy, although it has a lot of resources and has a pleasant climate. It could have been a first-world country.

I agree apartheid is wrong and should be changed. However, did they conduct it in the best way possible?
Mandela could have gone the other way, and turned the country red with blood, but his chose the moral high ground. Not sure it will last though, since the politicians in South Africa are slowly eviscerating their constitution, it will be a hegemony or some form of dictatorship soon enough
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Old 12-11-2013, 09:39 AM
 
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So their first political movement could be asking for the right to vote... And then vote the apartheid politicians out, or change the constitution etc.
That's what they did. Seriously, that's what happened. That's what ending Apartheid means!
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Old 12-11-2013, 09:39 AM
 
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Mandela could have gone the other way, and turned the country red with blood, but his chose the moral high ground. Not sure it will last though, since the politicians in South Africa are slowly eviscerating their constitution, it will be a hegemony or some form of dictatorship soon enough
There were many reasons behind it. One important reason is that the USSR collapsed.
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Old 12-11-2013, 11:42 AM
 
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So their first political movement could be asking for the right to vote... And then vote the apartheid politicians out, or change the constitution etc.
And whenever Blacks protested, they got locked up or even killed.
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Old 12-11-2013, 11:49 AM
 
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Everybody is entitled to his or her opinion, but just realize this: those of you who say Nelson Mandela was not good for South Africa are saying that black people have no right to govern themselves.
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Old 12-11-2013, 12:06 PM
 
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Everybody is entitled to his or her opinion, but just realize this: those of you who say Nelson Mandela was not good for South Africa are saying that black people have no right to govern themselves.
And in addition to what you have said, there is something else I want to add. There are some people who claim that "apartheid wasn't so bad" or "apartheid-era South Africa wasn't that bad". There are some people who claim that. If it wasn't so bad, why were there people protesting against it, over and over? Why was the government banning books like "Cry, My Beloved Country"? Why was the government willing to use violence to defend the apartheid system, all the way to the point where South Africa was facing economic sanctions? Why were Blacks treated like second class citizens?
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