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Just a clarification here ….. this 'Budget deal' does not go thru 2015. It does include the Fiscal Year Budget for 2014 (deadline for this was October 1, 2013) and the Fiscal Year Budget for 2015 (deadline is October 1, 2014). This will get us past the 2014 Mid-Term Election and that is important. It's also very important that Business across the USA can actually use this time to plan for the future. It will give them a very small window of "certainty"
As usual …… we actually have no idea what the Grassroots Tea Party think about all of this. There are a variety of 'groups' that claim to speak for the Nationwide Neighborhood Tea Party, but there is STILL no one voice that speaks for them all.
I don't have a lot of sympathy with anyone who says "I can't support this because there is no Balanced Budget", or "I can't support this because XYZ has to pay a bit more into a Pension Plan", or "I can't support this because "they want to take away my Jelly Bean Jar" (OK, that last one was a joke, but they are acting like this is a Cartoon Comedy). Anyone on either side that takes the viewpoint that "if I don't get EVERYTHING I demand ….. then, I'm taking my marbles and going home …. so there stompyfoot tantrum is a total, uninformed idiot. Period
I've come to believe that the Far Right is trying to copy the Far Left ….. talk to the people like the are Idiots and too dumb to understand the intricacies of how Government actually works. They all talk in dumbed down "Sound Bites", because they believe that's all that their constituency can understand.
I'm very sure that I totally disagree with something as important as "Social Security Reform, Medicare Reform, Immigration Reform, TAX Reform or Balance Budget" to be tacked on to a 'Budget agreement' is WRONG,WRONG,WRONG. Haven't we learned our lesson about these major issues being tacked on to "Comprehensive" Bills that nobody either reads OR understands?
But sound bites is all some even hear. They don't want to take the time to look at all the elements of a problem, including fesibility. It's so much easier to grasp some words and make them a mantra, and live in a black and white tv.
I agree about the far right and far left. They actually sound more like each other than they know. My leanings are leftist in many ways, but there is a difference between the 'ideal' and how it turns out. Pure idology seldom works, and both of the extremes cling to it like a flag. The way things work, the way things *always* have worked (not just here in the US) is that it takes root and grows. If you make everyone who isn't you the enemy and hold them hostage, then its not likely to make them look at your talking points and want to embrase you.
The old left wanted to change everything. They changed a lot, the foot soldiers ordinary people who moved past percieved limitations. But they didn't make of the world what the most fervent wanted. The far right wants in many ways to dial us back to the old days, but that isn't going to happen either. The Republican party isn't going to let them try either, or be taken over again. Either they stay a small noisy corner of the Republicans, or they make their own where they can say anything they choose.
Just like the far left influenced but did not ever run the Democratic party, the tea party will not get to make the rules for Republicans either.
I think many people have personal views encompasing both camps as well and are generally put off by someone who sees only one flavor of fervor.
You will NEVER have a veto proof majority in the senate. As long as Obama is president his agenda, the part of it that has passed, will go forward along with the regulatory and executive order initiatives. As for what has not passed, it is DOA in the House anyway, so really nothing of substance is going to change until 2016 when Hillary wins and the Dems take both houses.
It's not about a "veto proof majority" in the Senate. Harry Reid has already shown that control of the Senate is all that is necessary to move OR stop Legislation and Budgets. He has even removed the Filibuster when he thinks it benefits him.
Obama is welcome to VETO anything he pleases and the Democrats can defend their votes and the VETO - that is something that Harry Reid protects them from now. The Senate is DOA on pretty much everything because Reid controls every move. That is what needs to change and probably will change.
When it does - Harry Reid will be leading the chorus against the type of control that he has exercised for many years. Neither he, nor Obama will enjoy a Senate run by the GOP with all the heads of the Committees also run by the GOP. Don't discount that -
The good news is, as of this moment — thanks to the Obamacare fiasco that will likely continue for some time, even get worse, and, to a lesser extent, the Iran deal that, in all probability, is headed for disaster — things are running in the right’s direction. What Ryan quite obviously was trying to do is keep it that way — tread some water until we have at least the first of those elections (2014). He was following Hippocrates’ prescription to do no harm.
The harm would be shutting down the Congress, because the public seriously dislikes that. They turn against you — and for good reason. They understand you don’t have the votes to accomplish what you say you want and are posturing for the most part. Even some low-information voters get that. It’s pretty obvious.
I think it was Napoleon who said, "Don't interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake", or something to that effect.
This is pretty simple: look at who's money is being spent and ask yourself if it benefiting them. Wait... you can't ask... the one's who have to pay this back aren't even born yet.
Same for Obamacare... same for every entitlement program... same for the FED keeping rates low. We are not paying for it and anyone saying it is a good thing to take money and saddle future generations with debt should be ashamed.
It's not about a "veto proof majority" in the Senate. Harry Reid has already shown that control of the Senate is all that is necessary to move OR stop Legislation and Budgets. He has even removed the Filibuster when he thinks it benefits him.
Obama is welcome to VETO anything he pleases and the Democrats can defend their votes and the VETO - that is something that Harry Reid protects them from now. The Senate is DOA on pretty much everything because Reid controls every move. That is what needs to change and probably will change.
When it does - Harry Reid will be leading the chorus against the type of control that he has exercised for many years. Neither he, nor Obama will enjoy a Senate run by the GOP with all the heads of the Committees also run by the GOP. Don't discount that -
The Republican agenda is dead. It is dead no matter what happens in the Senate. They can make noise, but not laws. While nothing is certain, it is pretty likely that the next president is going to be H. Clinton. Republicans no longer have the demographics to win the electoral vote. Compromise, settling for half a loaf, has to be the way forward for Republicans. That is something that they have been reluctant to do. In all likelihood, even if the Dems lose the Senate in 2014, they will get it back two years later. The only hope for Republicans is to find the middle again. If they do, however, will it really matter who is in charge?
But wasn't that exactly the liberal position on Obamacare? It's settled law and you shouldn't do anything to try and change it?
No law is sacrosanct. Regarding Obamacare, as long as the Democrats control the Senate and the White House it is, for all practical purposes, impossible to repeal the law. Republicans were told they shouldn’t try to change it because they couldn’t change it. It was a fool’s errand—that Cruz volunteered to run and fell flat on his face. Whatever one may think of Mitch McConnell, he’s a master legislator. He knows how to work the mechanics of Congress; if it were possible to stop Obamacare legislatively he would have done it.
Boehner wants to go along with the out-of-control spending and total lack of responsibility of the liberals. Now the liberals admire him -- they can have him.
Let's face it.. we need more right wingers because the whole democratic party is so left wing.. The tug of war is between the left wing and the moderate republicans.. fact is the left wing pulls so far left we need the small right wing fringe to counter the tug of the socialists of today.
The moderates will go more left but the only hope for our nation is to pull far right to get out of the socialists grasp on our nation. This is war between those who believe in the founding fathers and the Marxists communists who have infiltrated slowing and turned the democratic party into a socialist only thinking crowd. Obama is the most left wing socialist ever to hold the office of president. We need MORE right wing republicans to balance out what the left is doing to this nation.
If one were to draw a line and then put a perpendicular mark in the middle indicating the center that would be a great start for a graph of indicating how modern politics is broken down. To the near right of that line would be moderate conservatives and to the near left would be moderate democrats. Move either closer to the center and you have conservative minded democrats or liberal minded republicans.
The far end of the right side of that mark leads to liberty, freedom and capitalism...the end game of conservatism.
The far end of the left side leads to tyranny, socialism and communism...the end game of progressiveness.
Moderates on both sides is how this nation grew to be the world's leading nation. This nation no longer holds that distinction. The balance of ideology is what held it all together.
If you were to put marks on that line representing the present political air, most democrats would be between moderate and liberal. The very liberal democrats would be a hair from the far left.
Too many republicans would be at the moderate democrat mark and most republicans fall between moderate republican and moderate democrat. The conservative TEA party would be a hair from the very far right.
Except for the TEA party, most politicians tend to lean left.
If this continues the USA is in deep doo doo.
That is the eventual master plan.
Every time I read the title on this thread, I laugh.
What's on?
Nobody on the right has ever liked Boehner. Nobody on the right gives 2 hoots what he says. Nobody on the right cares who he lashes out at.
Boehner is not on the side of the right.
I thought everybody knew that.
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