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Training is a red herring. There are plenty of people with training who've had their guns go off. Take the officer in that video -- all the training in the world didn't prevent his gun from going off.
And all the training n the world of the WRONG kind won't! The guy was a dumbass!
And for all but one or two states, that is the case. Most all states require some form of safety training before issuing a carry permit.
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Do you stereotype and insult everyone or just ones that disagree with you?
I give you guys credit for hanging in this thread ... I just can't anymore. It seems like the level of emotionally driven, lack of common sense, idiotic replies from the anti people are getting worse and worse. It's like trying to have a rational conversation with a teenager...
Training is a red herring. There are plenty of people with training who've had their guns go off. Take the officer in that video -- all the training in the world didn't prevent his gun from going off.
It's not a red herring. My response was to a post that eluded that anyone should have 'the right' to carry, anywhere, regardless.
In any event if a firearm discharged 'accidentally' it is almost always due to a breakdown of basic firearm safety. Not always, but usually.
That was the context in which I posted.
Do not misinterpret that to mean that I don't agree that school personnel should be armed, rather that I do not believe that just anybody should be permitted to do so.
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It's not a red herring. My response was to a post that eluded that anyone should have 'the right' to carry, anywhere, regardless.
In any event if a firearm discharged 'accidentally' it is almost always due to a breakdown of basic firearm safety. Not always, but usually.
That was the context in which I posted.
Do not misinterpret that to mean that I don't agree that school personnel should be armed, rather that I do not believe that just anybody should be permitted to do so.
The point is that training isn't going to guarantee that a gun won't go off every now and then, even in the hands of someone highly experienced.
The fact is that accidental shootings are rare -- usually no more than 15,000 a year. And a far smaller number of those folks (typically 600 or less) are actually killed.
So the chances of you or your family being shot by a gun accidentally going off are very small. Sure, anything can happen, but you could also be attacked by a bad guy at any time, including a first grade talent show. Why restrict people's constitutional rights on the off chance that some accident might occur?
Typical liberal nutjob reaction. Some parents are objecting to the constitutional right of fathers to bring weapons to their kid's elementary school functions.
What are they going to do if some other kid jumps up and starts pounding their child with a sheet of rolled up construction paper? Just sit there helplessly and let their child take a merciless beating?
This gentleman sums it up well:
Where the he77 is this place? In a gang infested swamp?
I certainly don't think someone without a degree of training should be allowed to carry a firearm into a school.
I certainly think all US citizens starting in the 1st grade, get firearms safety training. After all it is a right that they will soon be making on their own as young adults.
I find it amusing that those that didn't grow up with guns in the house are the most fearful of them.
The point is that training isn't going to guarantee that a gun won't go off every now and then, even in the hands of someone highly experienced.
The fact is that accidental shootings are rare -- usually no more than 15,000 a year. And a far smaller number of those folks (typically 600 or less) are actually killed.
So the chances of you or your family being shot by a gun accidentally going off are very small. Sure, anything can happen, but you could also be attacked by a bad guy at any time, including a first grade talent show. Why restrict people's constitutional rights on the off chance that some accident might occur?
Actually, it does. Accidental implies that there was a mechanical failure. Remington had issues with a specific model of rifle a few years ago that would fire if dropped with the safety on. There were less than 5 accidental shootings and the company recalled them. All guns on the market must be able to be dropped without discharging. That said, there is never a reason to unholster the gun unless there is an actual threat. If I removed my gun and put it up for storage, it would still be in the exact same condition (1 in the chamber, striker back) 20 years from now.
Your explanation of "accidental" is nothing but negligence.
As I have stated before, why carry an insurance policy on your house since the chance of fire is so small? My parents paid their house of over 20 years ago and they still carry insurance.
Why are gun nuts such freak shows? Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Did anybody ever teach you freaks that?
More intelligent conversation from the left....
Consider the source. Look at what most out of touch liberal anti gun nuts consider normal, being called a freak by them probably means perfectly normal to most of society.
Do you stereotype and insult everyone or just ones that disagree with you?
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More intelligent conversation from the left....
As long as you guys give them the attention they so obviously crave they'll continue to come back. That's the reason they post those insults, to antagonize and get a rise out of you. Starve the trolls, don't feed them.
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Consider the source. Look at what most out of touch liberal anti gun nuts consider normal, being called a freak by them probably means perfectly normal to most of society.
Wow, lol..... nicely put. So true.
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