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Old 10-09-2014, 06:05 PM
 
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Maybe not in your world but the rest of us learned that Latin America does include Mexico.



Latin America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It consists of twenty two nations which cover an area that stretches from the southern border of the United States to the southern tip of South America, including the Caribbean.
You're right and I have often asked "isn't it enough that we have 22 Hispanic nations on the Western Hemisphere"? Do they need the U.S. and possibly Canada next?

 
Old 10-09-2014, 06:08 PM
 
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Because many Puerto Ricans DO have the rep of being troublemakers. Kinda like us "Irish" of 150 years ago.
Where my wife worked it was a rule to speak only English during working hours. Lunches and breaks were the exception. A memo was put on the bulletin wall to that effect. A Spanish speaker tore it off the wall and they continued to speak Spanish on the job anyway and dared anyone to defy them. One had to know English to be hired there so it wasn't a case of not being able to speak English either.
 
Old 10-09-2014, 06:14 PM
 
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Even Hispanics don't like illegals for the mistrust that they have brought to the US.
There are a lot of Texans here with Mexican descent and they totally resent the waves of poor uneducated illegals that are taking jobs away from them even.
Unfortunately, there are far too many Hispanic citizens who demand amnesty for illegal aliens and call anyone a racist who disagrees with them. Their demands wouldn't have anything to do with that it is mostly Hispanic groups that are here illegally, now would it? Naw.
 
Old 10-09-2014, 06:33 PM
 
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What world do you live in that makes you believe that a border will serve to deflect the mobility of those who have so little they actually risk life and limb to get that coveted crap job in the US? Do you think that fence and those border patrol agents are really going to stop the flow of workers to a nation that expresses it's desire to hire at the lowest wage possible? "Seek changes"? What do you think the average foreigner can achieve to that end??? He can just run over the border and take his chances. That's ALL he can do..

This is simply aggregate econ. 101 manifest as a "problem". At some point don't be all shocked when the upper class of those who love these crossers and their destitution makes citizens of all those who want to come here for work a reality. Money flows in all directions now, borders are simply a nuisance to those who really run America..

The "new" bracero program is more than likely just around the corner, so that will make happy campers of all of you who think this friction is about illegal immigration. You will live in a much different nation now, a global player with borders can't get that thing of "labor competition" out of their head, because we don't like it won't change things much.

For what it's worth.....What have you ever done that has affected national OR international policy??? Think about labor collectives if you really give a damn about the people who are coming here in hopes of making a good living only to find another work scam that steals their labor for peanuts..Together workers may get something going, hunger on two sides of a border serves those who make the rules.
Illegal immigration could be brought down to a trickle if our government enforced our immigration laws like they are sworn to do along with removing the incentives for them to come here or remain here. E-verify would remove the job incentives, re-interpreting birthright citizenship like most industrialized countries do and denying them any tax payer benefits would go a long ways in fixing the problem. A good physical barrier would assist the border patrol in doing its job better.

It's not the "nation" that wants cheap, illegal labor over Americans. It's some greedy unscrupulous employers and they don't represent the majority of Americans. Of course our government winks and looks the other way and that's just plain wrong. Do you think an unemployed Americans want the competition of cheap, illegal labor?

Bracero program? Only 3% of illegals are picking crops now and there are already unlimited H-2A visas for ag jobs. The other 97% of illegals are doing jobs that Americans are willing to do for a fair wage.

I do plenty behind the scenes to fight illegal immigration and am active in politics to fight for or against certain other issues. I don't just sit here at my keyboard. I just hope to educate the clueless in here.

Most illegals coming here aren't starving either. They just want what we have and better wages. Welfare is a big draw also. Just give birth on our soil and you are home free. The problem is their desires are hurting Americans who do have a right to live and work here.
 
Old 10-09-2014, 06:54 PM
 
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Hmm, I don't recall the borders closing when Reagan, Bush sr, and Bush jr were in charge! But it must be all the left's fault.
No one is suggesting that we "close" the borders. There will always be legal ports of entry. Reagan was promised that our border would be secured after he signed the last amnesty. It didn't happen under a Democrat controlled congress. As for the Bushs' did they sign an executive order to give a stay of deportation to hundreds of thousand of illegal aliens along with work permits? Did they instruct Homeland Security not to deport any illegal aliens unless they are "convicted" criminals? Oops no, that was Obama.
 
Old 10-09-2014, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan View Post
Maybe not in your world but the rest of us learned that Latin America does include Mexico.



Latin America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It consists of twenty two nations which cover an area that stretches from the southern border of the United States to the southern tip of South America, including the Caribbean.
Does that inclusion negate the geographic reality of where Mexico is situated?

Also from Wiki:


List of North American countries by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Old 10-09-2014, 08:02 PM
 
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It's really cool how you can brush up on centuries of the history of languages on Wiki and present such as if you had know it all along - especially when quoting from the article.
It would have been nice to see your own thoughts in the mix.
If the language originates from the Castile region, what did they speak in any other region?

What is a romance language?

You presume that the post I responded to was worthy of more than the lowest common denominator response.

It wasn't.
 
Old 10-09-2014, 08:36 PM
 
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There are a lot of Texans here with Mexican descent and they totally resent the waves of poor uneducated illegals that are taking jobs away from them even.
Texas Mexican Americans are in a league of their own.
 
Old 10-09-2014, 08:42 PM
 
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Texas Mexican Americans are in a league of their own.
I've heard that Texan-Americans with roots in Mexico are a different breed from those who live in Calif. and other southwestern states. I guess there is some hope after all.
 
Old 10-09-2014, 09:04 PM
 
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Texas Mexican Americans are in a league of their own.
I have lived in TX a few times and owned a house in SA. I saw too many Mexicans in favor of the illegals, their families, but whined and cried about lack of employment.

Guess what? If you allow them to take your job you won't have one. Maybe they are learning now.
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