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What does a higher prevalence of autism have to do with the eradication of polio? Are you saying wiping out polio caused autism?
No, clearly that's not at all what I am saying. I was pointing out that the 600% rise in autism over the last twenty years (the same years the vaccine schedules went nuclear, ie; changed and increased dramatically from prior vaccine norms) cannot simply be explained away by the old red herring of "well, we have better diagnostics now and now we're just not letting little Johnny Autistic slip through the cracks anymore".
Something no one ever seems to answer is this - If your kid is vaccinated, why are you worried about any of this? Aren't they protected? If anyone who wants a vaccination for their kid can get one, wouldn't that mean anyone not vaccinating their kid already knows and accepts the risks?
My (grown) children were vaccinated, but I am concerned about the anti-vax mentality because, having worked in health care for decades, I care about public health. I care about truth versus falsehood, reasoning versus illogic, and statistical probability versus nonsense. I care about infants and immunocompromised individuals who cannot be immunized, who might be exposed to any of these infectious diseases. I care about living in a society where deadly infectious diseases are on the rise due to misinformation about vaccines. And other people care enough that they go into third world countries, at great personal risk and sacrifice, to help immunize those populations.
It's not just about people caring about their own kids.
No, clearly that's not at all what I am saying. I was pointing out that the 600% rise in autism over the last twenty years (the same years the vaccine schedules went nuclear, ie; changed and increased dramatically from prior vaccine norms) cannot simply be explained away by the old red herring of "well, we have better diagnostics now and now we're just not letting little Johnny Autistic slip through the cracks anymore".
So let me get this straight. You are saying that improved diagnostics alone does not explain the rise in autism. You are also pointing out a correlation exists between a rise in autism and a rise in vaccinations. But you are NOT saying that the rise in autism is caused by the rise in vaccinations. So once again, I'm not sure of your point.
I think the easy solution is to allow parents to refuse vaccinations, but also ban these children from attending public schools. Exceptions for medical reasons only. There are no scientific reasons to refuse a vaccine and I couldn't care less about a religious reason.
My (grown) children were vaccinated, but I am concerned about the anti-vax mentality because, having worked in health care for decades, I care about public health. I care about truth versus falsehood, reasoning versus illogic, and statistical probability versus nonsense. I care about infants and immunocompromised individuals who cannot be immunized, who might be exposed to any of these infectious diseases. I care about living in a society where deadly infectious diseases are on the rise due to misinformation about vaccines. And other people care enough that they go into third world countries, at great personal risk and sacrifice, to help immunize those populations.
It's not just about people caring about their own kids.
I care about what they have done regarding changes over the last twenty years to the vaccine formulations and overall schedules. You have total faith in the so called scientific consensus around vaccine safety, and I don't.
Anyone with any real critical thought understands that the pharmaceutical industry is a multi billion dollar for profit industry like any other. To think for one minute that research and science is first and foremost in determining what is sold to the public is silly and naive. Take one glance across major industry in general, from Boeing and it's flying deathtrap made in SC that disregards completely the safety of the aircraft in favor of cheap local McLabor, to war for profit in the name of "security", to the food we eat that is labeled as "safe" when there are thousands of tangents you could explore from GMO's to irradiation to hormones regarding that "safe" food. Big Pharma is no different, and with the interests at stake I am not the least bit surprised that "the research" says "everything's great, get those vaccinations and do not correlate the dramatic rise in autism to the vaccines, even though the correlate perfectly when looking back over the last twenty years".
Have at it, get vaccinated. I do not want to change minds or force anyone to do anything. All I ask is extend the same courtesy to me please.
So let me get this straight. You are saying that improved diagnostics alone does not explain the rise in autism. You are also pointing out a correlation exists between a rise in autism and a rise in vaccinations. But you are NOT saying that the rise in autism is caused by the rise in vaccinations. So once again, I'm not sure of your point.
Yes, I am saying that I believe that the rise in autism dramatically over the last twenty years and the way it mirrors the rise in the vax schedules is connected. I am not sure how you missed that, but that's my opinion.
Yes, I am saying that I believe that the rise in autism dramatically over the last twenty years and the way it mirrors the rise in the vax schedules is connected. I am not sure how you missed that, but that's my opinion.
So - how do you explain, for instance, the Danish cohort studies that found bugger-all difference in the autism rate between vaccinated and unvaccinated children?
So - how do you explain, for instance, the Danish cohort studies that found bugger-all difference in the autism rate between vaccinated and unvaccinated children?
I have already laid out my opinion on science/research/consensus intertwined with monied interests and business. Put another way, if I had billions of dollars I could probably get scientific consensus on anything I wanted.
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