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Old 04-02-2015, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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The first amendment guarantees that business owners don't have to get a same-sex marriage themselves. Your rights end where mine begin. They don't have the right to discriminate in their businesses (and someone else's marriage) if they are offering a public accommodation.

See the difference?
You say his rights end where your rights begin yet you seem to believe you have unlimited rights. You have the right to his property whenever you want. If you want something that he has you believe you have the right to it even if he doesn't want to sell it. How is that fair? From that vantage point it appears your rights have no end.
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Old 04-02-2015, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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So when someone chooses to own property you have a right to dictate their behavior?
If the owner of that property decides to open it as a business, yes there are laws regarding operating a business.
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Old 04-02-2015, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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But you can impose yours on me, and, use it as justification to refuse service? Sounds a tad hypocritical.
You don't have a RIGHT to buy cake! No one is "imposing" anything on you. When you step into the bakery you are stepping on to another person's property, property that is NOT yours. That seems to be a hard concept for statists to follow, some property is private. The bakery does not belong to the "public" and it doesn't belong to you. If you do not like the owner's Christian beliefs you have the right to not shop there and go somewhere else.
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Old 04-02-2015, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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No.

LBGT individuals are asking for the same rights you have. You can walk in to a bakery, or pizzaria and not worry about being humiliated and unserved. That's what the LBGT community is insisting on. You can feel any damn way you want about it, but, in public, you must be non-discriminatory in your behavior.
No one has a right to not have their feelings hurt or not be humiliated. If I had known about all of these magical "rights" that seem to spring up on C-D I would have sued my teacher that one time I got a bad grade because I was humiliated and my feelings were hurt.
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Old 04-02-2015, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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If you do not like the owner's Christian beliefs you have the right to not shop there and go somewhere else.
You are correct! People can decide where they shop, but businesses ("public accommodations"), with some exceptions, can't discriminate in who they serve.
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Old 04-02-2015, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Default Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

Pence is watching his political future circling the toilet bowl on the way down.
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Old 04-02-2015, 05:37 PM
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Nobody's being punished. The baker of conscience simply wants to lead an upstanding life in accordance with her demanding faith, and isn't going to want to build a same-gender appointed cake theme that she knows beforehand gets used in a religiously disagreeable rite the knowing furnishment of which would jeopardize her spiritual growth. But you couldn't give a sh-, because it's all about you.

You people literally can't tell the difference--and you still want to social engineer others.

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Old 04-02-2015, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Nobody's being punished. The baker of conscience simply wants to lead an upstanding life in accordance with her demanding faith and isn't going to want to build a same-gender appointed cake theme that she knows beforehand gets used in a religiously disagreeable rite, the knowing furnishment of which would jeopardize her spiritual growth. But you couldn't give a sh-, because it's all about you.

You people literally can't tell the difference--and you still want to social engineer others.
If she can not sell a product in accordance with the laws, she should not sell that product.
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Old 04-02-2015, 05:50 PM
mm4
 
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If she can not sell a product in accordance with the laws, she should not sell that product.
And the laws are being changed. Got a problem with that?
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Old 04-02-2015, 05:50 PM
 
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Nobody's being punished. The baker of conscience simply wants to lead an upstanding life in accordance with her demanding faith and isn't going to want to build a same-gender appointed cake theme that she knows beforehand gets used in a religiously disagreeable rite, the knowing furnishment of which would jeopardize her spiritual growth. But you couldn't give a sh-, because it's all about you.

You people literally can't tell the difference--and you still want to social engineer others.
At the risk of wasting my time again. I'm against laws that would force people to serve those they do not want to so you can't dismiss me by painting me in your box.

What sort of faith is this that is demanding? I consider myself to have faith but its voluntary, not demanding.

Maybe hers is different which is why I ask.
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