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Old 04-29-2015, 09:01 AM
 
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Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake apparently ordered the police to stand down Monday night as the riots broke out, which would explain why only a few dozen people were arrested.

Wow.

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Source: Baltimore mayor ordered police to stand down

Despite a firm denial by Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, a senior law enforcement source charges that she gave an order for police to stand down as riots broke out Monday night, raising more questions about whether some of the violence and looting could have been prevented.

The source, who is involved in the enforcement efforts, confirmed to Fox News there was a direct order from the mayor to her police chief Monday night, effectively tying the hands of officers as they were pelted with rocks and bottles.



Asked directly if the mayor was the one who gave that order, the source said: "You are God damn right it was."

 
Old 04-29-2015, 09:06 AM
 
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Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake apparently ordered the police to stand down Monday night as the riots broke out, which would explain why only a few dozen people were arrested.

Wow.
The sad part is she based her decision on Ferguson. If anything Ferguson should have opened her eyes just based on the building fires, burned cop cars and countless looting. Ironically they very same thing happened because of her decision.

They had protesting last night in Ferguson in support of Baltimore and one business was looted.
 
Old 04-29-2015, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Atlanta fits all of the above. Atlanta isn't nearly in as bad of shape as Baltimore.
Interesting comparison and contrast. How likely are we to see a Housewives of Baltimore show?

Atlanta has a population of 448k and is 54% black while Baltimore has a population of 620k and is 64% black.
Atlanta's population is becoming whiter and growing.

Baltimore's population has been declining for 50 years as steel and manufacturing eliminated tens of thousands of low skill jobs which is likely a major contributer to the woes. When a massive number of jobs are eliminated and people stay, the outcomes are not good.

Baltimore is #5 in terms of homicides, behind Detroit, New Orleans, Newark and St Louis. ( Chicago's murder rank is the same as Tulsa, but you would never know this with the media attention it gets).

The largest employers in Atlanta are Delta, Walmart, Emroy, municipal government and ATT. The largest employers in Baltimore include Giant Food, John Hopkins Healthcare, Med Star Healthcare, Black&Decker, John Hopkins University and Verizon. Note the absence of municipal employment in Baltimore, despite a substantially larger population. Note that healthcare are major employers in both cities.
 
Old 04-29-2015, 09:22 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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Putting such hard drugs in your body doesn't affect just you, it will affect others. There is plenty proof of people on hard drugs committing a felony just to keep the habit. It sound like you haven't had any experience of people on hard drugs. Ever met a crack head that will do anything just to get a fix or the paranoid meth head that will commit robbery or attack someone because they hear voices? If you live in an area that has these issue you will come across such people on a daily bases.

So... if they commit a crime while using, then punish them for the crime! It's like alcohol.... drink, and drive, and kill someone get charged with manslaughter! Let's not forget that alcohol abuse can cause the same desperation, and cause people to resort to rob, steal, and commit acts of violence to get their fix as some of those hard drugs, yet it is legal!
 
Old 04-29-2015, 09:26 AM
 
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Interesting comparison and contrast. How likely are we to see a Housewives of Baltimore show?

Atlanta has a population of 448k and is 54% black while Baltimore has a population of 620k and is 64% black.
Atlanta's population is becoming whiter and growing.

Baltimore's population has been declining for 50 years as steel and manufacturing eliminated tens of thousands of low skill jobs which is likely a major contributer to the woes. When a massive number of jobs are eliminated and people stay, the outcomes are not good.

Baltimore is #5 in terms of homicides, behind Detroit, New Orleans, Newark and St Louis. ( Chicago's murder rank is the same as Tulsa, but you would never know this with the media attention it gets).

The largest employers in Atlanta are Delta, Walmart, Emroy, municipal government and ATT. The largest employers in Baltimore include Giant Food, John Hopkins Healthcare, Med Star Healthcare, Black&Decker, John Hopkins University and Verizon. Note the absence of municipal employment in Baltimore, despite a substantially larger population. Note that healthcare are major employers in both cities.
Just FYI, the city sizes you provided are the legal boundaries. In terms of the metropolitan area, Atlanta has 5.6 million people and is the 9th largest metropolitan area in the US, while Baltimore has 2.8 million people and is the 20th largest metropolitan area in the US.

List of Metropolitan Statistical Areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Old 04-29-2015, 09:32 AM
 
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So... If they commit a crime while using, then punish them for the crime! It's like alcohol.... drink, and drive, and kill someone get charged with manslaughter! Let's not forget that alcohol abuse can cause the same desperation, and cause people to resort to rob, steal, and commit acts of violence to get their fix as some of those hard drugs, yet it is legal!
There is no if to it. They will and do. Some one on meth or crack is not the same as someone getting drunk. Someone can drink for years and years and not develop any desperation, the same can not be said for some one on a hard drug. Your answer already told me you don't have any real life experience with people on hard drugs. I would take a drunk over someone on meth or crack any day of the week.
 
Old 04-29-2015, 09:35 AM
 
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One thing about this push to end the war on drugs. So many people do not work, do not take care of their kids, and generally do nothing due to their abuse of drugs. Do we really think that making drugs legal will suddenly change all of that? Would it exacerbate that? I think the middle class suburban person who wants their weed legal is trying to act like legalizing drugs will solve all problems - both with urban crime and black incarceration rates. I am not so pollyanna on the whole thing. If you were a productive person before the legalization of drugs, you'll continue to be productive. If you weren't, you will continue to be non-productive. The legalization of drugs will do nothing to clean up neighborhoods like this one in Baltimore. If you want to end the war on drugs, there should be some honesty on the impact it would have on the population.
Well said!
 
Old 04-29-2015, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake apparently ordered the police to stand down Monday night as the riots broke out, which would explain why only a few dozen people were arrested.

Wow.
She cited the delicate balance and need to deescalate tensions.

The National Guard had not yet arrived. The Police were outnumbered. She had an obligation to protect peaceful protesters, the public, the Police and not make matters worse. Does anyone doubt that there were some who would have put police heads on sticks, if provoked?

The whole deal was triggered by alleged Police brutality and neglect. Now imagine the outcomes if the outnumbered Police had become aggressive with the crowds.

Tough call in a tough place.
 
Old 04-29-2015, 09:40 AM
 
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She cited the delicate balance and need to deescalate tensions.

The National Guard had not yet arrived. The Police were outnumbered. She had an obligation to protect peaceful protesters, the public, the Police and not make matters worse. Does anyone doubt that there were some who would have put police heads on sticks, if provoked?

The whole deal was triggered by alleged Police brutality and neglect. Now imagine the outcomes if the outnumbered Police had become aggressive with the crowds.

Tough call in a tough place.
Sound like a bunch of excuses to me. She said a lot of things to cover his butt. The National Guard should have been called on the weekend. The only people that were protected were the people that rioted. Doing something to stop the problem when it first happened not a day later is not putting police head on a stick.

Again they knew it was going to happen so she could have had more people called in. Tough calls is why tax payers give them money
 
Old 04-29-2015, 09:44 AM
 
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Any person on hard drugs will commit a felony crime just to keep up the drug habit anyway and will be desperate. So only violent crimes should be felonies? Everyone make choices so if you chose to do a hard drug then you can live with the consequences. Making hard drugs legal doesn't solve anything
I second that!
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