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Old 05-13-2015, 03:03 PM
 
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**if**... still against Christianity, but not according to Islam in many ways.
Which version of Islam?

Because you are aware that Islam, like Christianity, has multiple denominations, and various interpretations, right down to individuals. It's a religion that bases many of its beliefs on the same things that Jews and Christians believe, the teachings of ABRAHAM.
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Old 05-13-2015, 03:06 PM
 
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You can't defend your faith so you bring up someone else's.

Didn't Jesus...who is God, which means omnipotence and all knowing...know that his faith (that he didn't even invent) would be used after his death to justify slavery?

The answer would have to be 'yes.' And yet, he's neutral on slavery. Why didn't he explicitly condemn it?

You can't explain this. Sorry, but it's a white man's religion used to justify slavery and subjugation despite its more modern and moderate face. And the moderation has nothing to do with the religion itself, but the Enlightenment and advances in sciences and humanities.
This is an excellent post. Christianity in the modern context ceases to exist outside of being soothing background music for people when things like death occur. Christianity from it's foundation has "moved with the tide" of the social fabric that was underneath it...Namely this started with the acceptance of pagan holidays as their own, the adoption of pagan traditions and rituals and general willingness to change the religion for any culture they encountered with the hope of gaining new converts.

Issah (ra), or "Jesus" would be completely blindsided by what Christianity has become. In fact he wouldn't even know the word "Christianity"...none the less the holidays, rituals and practices.
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Old 05-13-2015, 03:11 PM
 
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Mad? Not at all...just fascinated by the perspicacity of your posts. Really!



There you go again. What do you mean by "white man's" religion?
Perspicacity? Ok...I.can live with that assessment.

White man's religion?

That's easy...me being an African American and all.

It's simple...how did African Americans become Christians? This ain't hard. Come on.
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Old 05-13-2015, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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If you tell slaves how to properly behave, it's tacit approval of the institution of slavery. There's no getting around that.
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You can't defend your faith so you bring up someone else's.

Didn't Jesus...who is God, which means omnipotence and all knowing...know that his faith (that he didn't even invent) would be used after his death to justify slavery?

The answer would have to be 'yes.' And yet, he's neutral on slavery. Why didn't he explicitly condemn it?

You can't explain this. Sorry, but it's a white man's religion used to justify slavery and subjugation despite its more modern and moderate face. And the moderation has nothing to do with the religion itself, but the Enlightenment and advances in sciences and humanities.
Christ probably is more concerned with us looking like Him with regards to things that go beyond this earthly existence.

With regards to slavery - my guess is that the slaves in that day were treated more humanely than how the KKK treated people. So being a slave probably was not a big deal then - like it is for us today. And the reason it's a big issue for us today is how terrible those slaves were treated.

I understand it's not an approval or denial of slavery - and the institution of slavery was not the issue in the Bible.

That's the truth to the best of my knowledge. I didn't sugar coat it or pretend like it didn't exist. All I can do is be honest with the text.
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Old 05-13-2015, 03:48 PM
 
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Perspicacity? Ok...I.can live with that assessment.

White man's religion?

That's easy...me being an African American and all.

It's simple...how did African Americans become Christians? This ain't hard. Come on.
Samr way all the native people of Latin America, they saw the light
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Old 05-13-2015, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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USA: This Is What America Would Be Like As a Christian Nation

Wow....NICE! Its also WHY this country has gone down the crapper as well. Not because we are a christian nation but because so many of our politicians are christians and think that's how our countries policies are to be issued. Please read the article before commenting! Its also a good chunk of why I am NOT a christian and never will be. Christianity welcomes invaders,loves their enemies and just is all around not the kind of religion I would want my nation to be built upon.
Kind of vague. Politicians pose to be whatever their constituents think they want them to. It could be Christian, Atheist, Muslim or Wiccan; dependent on the day and who you ask. Most people in this country falsely think themselves to be Christians and want politicians to echo their visions of what they believe they are. How many feel they are being represented by a truly Godly person?

I will never understand how/when the USA became a Christian nation. It is actually a blasphemous nation. Are we supposedly Christian per the KJV Bible or Catholic catechism? There is a difference.
The US federal government could never function as a Christian entity as it is run by prostitutes, liars and thieves.
I don't know how much of America can claim to hold to Christian virtues per the Bible. Why are divorce and abortion rampant? Good Christians?

I don't truly appreciate the article as it was fluff. Something to make some think but of little substance.
If we were to hold to the bill of rights, religion would not be a topic. The 1A Should be crystal clear on that point.
The government of the USA has no bearing on your religious choice. If we all can't be swayed to be dem or rep the same holds for religion.

No, the USA is not a Christian nation and never will be. We may have good intentions but as with all things; when humans try to think smart they rarely do. A feel good Christian intent isn't always the correct way.

Citizens can claim Christianity but government cannot. 1A says so. If that isn't clear enough I give up.
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Old 05-13-2015, 03:53 PM
 
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Did you read my reply - the article is not representative of Christianity.
You're right but for the wrong reasons, can I have my rep point back?
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Old 05-13-2015, 03:53 PM
 
Location: West Texas
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Perspicacity? Ok...I.can live with that assessment.

White man's religion?

That's easy...me being an African American and all.

It's simple...how did African Americans become Christians? This ain't hard. Come on.
Your question is irrelevant to your contention that Christianity is a white man's religion.

Jesus Christ was not a "white man."

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...for the most part by modern standards of ethnicity, first-century Jews could be considered Afro-Asiatics. This is to say that Jesus, his family, his disciples and, doubtless, most of the fellow Jews he encountered in his public ministry, were persons of color. They would certainly not be Europeans. The point is made because it has become virtually axiomatic for people today to envision that somehow the ancient people of the New Testament were all Europeans. Without much reflection or critical analysis, people tend to project modern Jews back into antiquity as if two thousand years of assimilation never occurred. Having established this important interpretative principle, we can identify a few New Testament passages where there is an explicit African presence.Blacks in Biblical Antiquity | Resources | American Bible Society
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Old 05-13-2015, 03:58 PM
 
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We are a nation based on morality. It is hard to separate the two because Christianity is also based on that.
Well the base kind got washed away on day one.

Seems that the ink wasn't even dry on the Constitution when the coveting, killing, and enslaving was in full swing.
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Old 05-13-2015, 04:06 PM
 
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Well the base kind got washed away on day one.

Seems that the ink wasn't even dry on the Constitution when the coveting, killing, and enslaving was in full swing.
And you blame Christians for that?
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