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Who controls Iraq's oil? who runs the largest oil field... Exxon. The american public was never in line to get cheaper oil or get any benefits, the corporations get the spoils
And who owns corporations? The stockholders. And who are the largest percentage of stockholders? John and Jane America via their pension funds and retirement accounts.
American workers and retirees, both R and D, have $24 trillion invested in their pension funds and/or retirement accounts. They all absolutely depend on corporations to be profitable in order for them to have adequate funding for their retirement.
Attacking corporate profits and/or taxing corporations more shoots John and Jane Worker and Jack and Jill Retiree in the foot. Who's stupid enough to advocate for that? Clueless liberals.
And who owns corporations? The stockholders. And who are the largest percentage of stockholders? John and Jane America via their pension funds and retirement accounts.
American workers and retirees, both R and D, have $24 trillion invested in their pension funds and/or retirement accounts. They all absolutely depend on corporations to be profitable in order for them to have adequate funding for their retirement.
Attacking corporate profits and/or taxing corporations more shoots John and Jane Worker and Jack and Jill Retiree in the foot. Who's stupid enough to advocate for that? Clueless liberals.
Pew Research survey found that 53 percent of Americans own no stocks, including in their retirement accounts. And the fact that only 10 percent of Americans have pensions, many (most) are going to rely on Social Security as they enter old age.
Pew Research survey found that 53 percent of Americans own no stocks, including in their retirement accounts.
Yeah, well, that's because 37.4% of adult working-age Americans aren't even in the labor force at all. If 15.6% of the working-age Americans who actually have a job aren't investing in a pension plan or retirement account but they still have iPhones, cable TV, etc., whose fault is that?
The top 0.1% own only $11.65 trillion in wealth compared to more than twice that, $24 trillion, invested in American workers' and retirees' pension funds and investment accounts.
The top 0.1 percent is comprised of 160,000 families with average wealth of $72.8 million. Do the math...
Try to at least stay at a minimum in the 20th century and then respond again.
I am talking about the 20th century, as well as the centuries that lead up to it.
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The Middle East was just being fought over by the Romans or Byzantines vs. the Persians pre-Islam, while the Arab peninsula was a bunch of feuding tribes. What was that civilized about it at that point? The Byzantines weren't particularly liked as rulers either. It's always been in the middle of someone's invasion route or provinces in someone else's empire for much of the last 2000+ years--it's the crossroads of the world where Africa, Asia, and Europe meet, though that's been for worse rather than better.
The whole world has had war for as long as humans have existed. But now there is only one region of the world where the fighting and feuding never stop -- the Muslim dominated region.
The Middle East was civilized until Islam arose and tried to take over the world.
It's not so much that it tried to do that, but rather that it has never stopped trying -- and never will.
It's built into the religion itself.
Complete world domination or never-ending bloodbath.
Those are the choices.
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I am talking about the 20th century, as well as the centuries that lead up to it.
The whole world has had war for as long as humans have existed. But now there is only one region of the world where the fighting and feuding never stop -- the Muslim dominated region.
Islam destroys civilization by its very nature.
If you're going to go that far back then Islam was meant to bring tribes together. It had the blueprints of Judaism and Christianity to work with. It learned mostly from Christianity the process to follow. Jihad in the first 300 years was more to bring Arabs together as Christianity did. Their wars didn't become religion related under the entrance of the First Crusades into the Middle East and once tribalism mixed with religion starts it became ever expanding. When Muslims go to war it's to make a statement and yes it's pretty bloody and it learned that from lesson from the First Crusade and never stopped responding the way that was taught to them 1000 years ago. It quieted down for a few centuries but when the Europeans re-entered the regions a few hundred years ago the Muslims were settled and mellow. But enter colonialism and the old ways came back and over the next few hundred years it came back with a vengeance. Enter two World Wars and trying to keep it own just taught them more. Those two World Wars were not clean wars by any stretch of the imagination. European laws of war have no place in Africa or the Middle East as the locals have always been on the losing side of it. So don't just sit there and state Christianity Good Islam Bad without knowing the foundations that created the current mess which is currently localized to the Middle East. Europe is still meddling and the US is naively intervening. And BOTH are stoking the flames by giving them bigger and better toys to play with. It's pretty easy to tell who stoked where by looking at the weapons commonly used. This is not as Black and White as you make seem to be.
If you're going to go that far back then Islam was meant to bring tribes together. It had the blueprints of Judaism and Christianity to work with. It learned mostly from Christianity the process to follow. Jihad in the first 300 years was more to bring Arabs together as Christianity did. Their wars didn't become religion related under the entrance of the First Crusades into the Middle East and once tribalism mixed with religion starts it became ever expanding. When Muslims go to war it's to make a statement and yes it's pretty bloody and it learned that from lesson from the First Crusade and never stopped responding the way that was taught to them 1000 years ago. It quieted down for a few centuries but when the Europeans re-entered the regions a few hundred years ago the Muslims were settled and mellow. But enter colonialism and the old ways came back and over the next few hundred years it came back with a vengeance. Enter two World Wars and trying to keep it own just taught them more. Those two World Wars were not clean wars by any stretch of the imagination. European laws of war have no place in Africa or the Middle East as the locals have always been on the losing side of it. So don't just sit there and state Christianity Good Islam Bad without knowing the foundations that created the current mess which is currently localized to the Middle East. Europe is still meddling and the US is naively intervening. And BOTH are stoking the flames by giving them bigger and better toys to play with. It's pretty easy to tell who stoked where by looking at the weapons commonly used. This is not as Black and White as you make seem to be.
Nonsense.
The first crusade didn't even take place until after hundreds of years of attacks by Muslims on Europe.
Islam was the aggressor against Christians for hundreds of years, and the Pope finally said, "Enough is enough!"
The first crusade didn't even take place until after hundreds of years of attacks by Muslims on Europe.
Islam was the aggressor against Christians for hundreds of years, and the Pope finally said, "Enough is enough!"
Read history.
You might learn something.
You need to read unbiased history. Islam was in it's infancy when it entered Europe around 700 AD and also took Jerusalem around the same time period. The First Crusade waited 400 years to make a bloody path to Jerusalem killing everyone who didn't think the way they did. The Muslims learned brutality pretty well from the Catholics and the response was multiple times worse to make a statement that they are not to be messed with. The current Extremists are using that method of response as a statement. The current secular/moderate Muslims for the most part follow the current European model which is pretty weak IMPOV.
As a Middle Eastern Jew, I trust Muslims more than I trust Christians. I feel safer in most of the Middle East than I feel when I'm in Europe.
You need to read unbiased history. Islam was in it's infancy when it entered Europe around 700 AD and also took Jerusalem around the same time period. The First Crusade waited 400 years to make a bloody path to Jerusalem killing everyone who didn't think the way they did. The Muslims learned brutality pretty well from the Catholics and the response was multiple times worse to make a statement that they are not to be messed with. The current Extremists are using that method of response as a statement. The current secular/moderate Muslims for the most part follow the current European model which is pretty weak IMPOV.
As a Middle Eastern Jew, I trust Muslims more than I trust Christians. I feel safer in most of the Middle East than I feel when I'm in Europe.
Are you being honest, you would put yourself under the control of ISIS rather than under Merkel (I don't know if she's Christian but she is European)....honestly how you feel??????? If yes, please enjoy a nice vacation in Ramadi and report back how safe you felt....might want to bring your wife and daughter as well so that they can also feel safe in the welcoming arms of ISIS.
By the way, you are living in a society that is predominantly Christian, why don't you leave considering how unsafe you feel and move to some of those Muslim ME countries that would welcome you with open arms and make you feel safer than those horrible Christians who are making you feel unsafe.
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