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Old 01-05-2016, 10:40 AM
 
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BLM is a terrorist group that has taken over interstate highways, entire business districts and private businesses. They should have been dispatched as quickly as possible.

Terrorists looted, burned and destroyed neighborhoods in Ferguson and Baltimore. They should have been dispatched as quickly as possible. Instead law enforcement did nothing.

Occupy Wall Street acted as terrorists, taking over private property and public parks for weeks. They should have been dispatched as quickly as possible. Instead law enforcement did nothing.


The current group takes over an insignificant building in a remote wild game area. Yet they should be "dispatched as quickly as possible"?


Really?

BLM is an unarmed group of protesters. While I don't agree with how they do things they do have a point in many areas of the country with regard to institutional racism by law enforcement.

Ferguson and Baltimore were riots. Not acts of terror. Riots happen in many places for many reasons by many types of people.

Occupy Wall Street....see BLM.

I don't think the Bundy militia are necessary terrorists. I would categorise them more as enemy combatants.
Same solution though.
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Old 01-05-2016, 11:11 AM
 
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I don't think the Bundy militia are necessary terrorists. I would categorise them more as enemy combatants.
How can they be combatants when they didn't engage in combat?
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Old 01-05-2016, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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It happens. That's the system. Prosecutors "suggest" sentencing but it's up to the judge in most cases. Generally the prosecution doesn't know what the judge will decide before the fact.

Prosecutors Upset About Lenient Sentence In Ohio Child Porn Case | WBNS-10TV Columbus, Ohio

Local News: Scott County prosecutor upset about sentence in assault case (08/22/08)

I can post these endlessly.



In part that is what the BLM protests and riots are about, no?
No it is not up to the judge in mandatory minimum sentencing laws, there was a case in CA where a person stealing some video tapes was given 50 years because of the 3-strikes law.
It rarely if ever happens where there are mandatory minimum sentences, that is changing but as I indicated in this case there was more than just the crime of arson. The judge did not have the right to violate the minimum sentencing laws.

Keep in mind that they set 3 fires over the years in addition to other charges yet the judge reduced their sentences to 3 month and 1 year, that was a travesty based on the law. So what logic was the judges decsion based on, certainly not the extent and degree of their actions.

They may not like the changes in sentencing but the government usually appeals in cases where mandatory guidelines are violated. There's nothing different regarding this case except that some right wing lunatics don't like the judgement, what else is new.


What are Mandatory Minimums?
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Old 01-05-2016, 11:30 AM
 
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No it is not up to the judge in mandatory minimum sentencing laws, there was a case in CA where a person stealing some video tapes was given 50 years because of the 3-strikes law.
This is hardly the first time a judge has ruled upon common sense.

Judges Who Insist on True Justice : Three-strike law provokes powerful enemies - latimes

The Supreme Court has even weighed in.

Supreme Court Strikes Down Unconstitutional

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It rarely if ever happens where there are mandatory minimum sentences, that is changing but as I indicated in this case there was more than just the crime of arson. The judge did not have the right to violate the minimum sentencing laws.

Keep in mind that they set 3 fires over the years in addition to other charges yet the judge reduced their sentences to 3 month and 1 year, that was a travesty based on the law. So what logic was the judges decsion based on, certainly not the extent and degree of their actions.
I imagine he was thinking that the government was trying to hold them accountable for actions they refuse to hold themselves to.

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They may not like the changes in sentencing but the government usually appeals in cases where mandatory guidelines are violated. There's nothing different regarding this case except that some right wing lunatics don't like the judgement, what else is new.


What are Mandatory Minimums?
I have a feeling you don't know what they "usually" do.
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Old 01-05-2016, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The gang of Bundy's idiot supporters occupying a Federal Building should be cut off from all food and communication and simply starved and frozen out.


Blowing them up with a drone strike would be much more satisfying but most would think it overkill.
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Old 01-05-2016, 11:55 AM
 
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The gang of Bundy's idiot supporters occupying a Federal Building should be cut off from all food and communication and simply starved and frozen out.


Blowing them up with a drone strike would be much more satisfying but most would think it overkill.
Cutting their power and phone and closing the roads seems to be the plan. It's going to be down in the teens tonight. How long do you think these tough guys are going to last without heat, as well as open supply lines to their snacks? I give them a few days, tops.

Authorities plan to cut off power to militia at occupied Oregon refuge | US news | The Guardian

It will be the comedy show of the decade when they come staggering out, cold and snackless.
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Old 01-05-2016, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Let me see if I can understand the Bundy's cause.

Teddy Roosevelt declared the Malheur National Wildlife Area in 1908 and under control of the federal government. I and any one of my neighbors can now go and enjoy the area as can our children and grandchildren in perpetuity. So can any other American citizen who chooses to do so. The federal government has preserved the area for the wildlife, especially the migratory birds who use it as a resting and feeding area in their yearly migrations. I, and the majority of Americans feel this is best use of this isolated land.
Then come a group of rebellious ranchers and dissidents.
One dissident is allowed to graze his cattle on the peoples property in Nevada if he pays a grazing fee to the people. He refuses to pay it so he can make more profit for his ranching business at the expense of the tax paying public.
The other dissident is an anti Muslim organizer who runs a hate group and holds hate rallies and cartoon contests at mosques and Muslim cultural centers in Phoenix. A confirmed anti Muslim agitator.

What do they want?
They want the federal government to turn over all federal lands to ranchers so they can privatize it, graze more cattle and make more money. They say the Constitution demands this.

Where does the constitution demand that the people's land be turned over to cattle ranchers to graze more cattle and make more money?
Where does the constitution say that we the people must let ranchers graze their cattle on our land for free?
Where does the constitution say that we the people must give the land to ranchers to privatize it and shut out the people's use?
These people are no better than thieves Masquerading as patriots.
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Old 01-05-2016, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Cutting their power and phone and closing the roads seems to be the plan. It's going to be down in the teens tonight. How long do you think these tough guys are going to last without heat, as well as open supply lines to their snacks? I give them a few days, tops.

Authorities plan to cut off power to militia at occupied Oregon refuge | US news | The Guardian

It will be the comedy show of the decade when they come staggering out, cold and snackless.
After all is said and done, I want both the Bundy's to go to jail for a long time for ripping off the American public for over 1 million dollars when we, the public. so graciously let them use OUR land to graze their cattle on so they could make more money for THEIR business interests.
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Old 01-05-2016, 12:33 PM
 
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How can they be combatants when they didn't engage in combat?
They have taken an area not theirs by force while armed. They are an invading force. Sounds like enemy combatants to me.



Full Definition of combatant
: one that is engaged in or ready to engage in combat.
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Old 01-05-2016, 01:55 PM
 
Location: H-Tine, Texas
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I want to make sure people in this thread see this post on this topic in the Current Events forum.
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