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Old 04-18-2016, 02:39 PM
 
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So as long as nothing is against anyone's will or genitalia being exposed, the police would ask you why you are wasting their time.
The minute a girl/woman complains about someone exposing their penis to her against her will, it's a problem. Do you agree?

 
Old 04-18-2016, 02:43 PM
 
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The minute a girl/woman complains about someone exposing their penis to her against her will, it's a problem. Do you agree?
Sure, I agree with that, sexual assault is illegal already. Just like you can't go around exposing your vagina to little girls.

Woman accused of exposing herself to juvenile after neighbor dispute | WPXI
 
Old 04-18-2016, 02:46 PM
 
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Not true at all. The IL school district case, and alternatively, the PA university FTM trans expulsion case, for examples.
No proof of your claim in the IL case and in the PA case the college ended up changing the rules to allow TG people to use the one that they identify with.
 
Old 04-18-2016, 02:50 PM
 
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Sure, I agree with that, sexual assault is illegal already.
So ban those with penises from girls'/women's multiple occupancy changing/locker/shower room facilities, and restrooms with inadequate private stalls, and vice versa.

After all, go into any police station and ask them if it's OK for someone to expose their penis to a girl/woman against their will.

Then ask them if incidental same anatomical sex nudity in single gender multiple occupancy changing/locker/shower rooms is a crime.

The answers should be very enlightening.
 
Old 04-18-2016, 02:59 PM
 
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Of course the USDoE isn't going to include that in their report when they fully intend to FORCE minor girl students to be exposed to male genitalia on a daily basis. The school has it on record, though.

And parents/students WILL fight back. Any female student who feels harassed by a person with a penis in their multiple occupancy restroom/locker/shower room observing them or exposing themselves will file a complaint.

FORCE the offenders to register as the sex offenders they are, for life.
First you claim it was in the OCR report. It wasn't. Now you're claiming 'the school has it on record'. You're just making this up and getting hysterical.
 
Old 04-18-2016, 02:59 PM
 
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So ban those with penises from girls'/women's multiple occupancy changing/locker/shower room facilities, and restrooms with inadequate private stalls, and vice versa.

After all, go into any police station and ask them if it's OK for someone to expose their penis to a girl/woman against their will.

Then ask them if incidental same anatomical sex nudity in single gender multiple occupancy changing/locker/shower rooms is a crime.

The answers should be very enlightening.
What does "against their will" mean? If it's in the commission of simply getting dressed, and the transgendered person is just going about their business in a place the are legally allowed to be in, then no, it wouldn't appear to be a crime.

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In California, for instance, to be convicted of indecent exposure, the prosecution must prove an intent to sexually arouse, or sexually insult or offend. The California statute broadly and vaguely makes it a crime to willfully expose your genitals to someone else, motivated by a desire to sexually gratify yourself or offend or insult the other person. - See more at: Indecent Exposure - FindLaw
 
Old 04-18-2016, 03:03 PM
 
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So ban those with penises from girls'/women's multiple occupancy changing/locker/shower room facilities, and restrooms with inadequate private stalls, and vice versa.

After all, go into any police station and ask them if it's OK for someone to expose their penis to a girl/woman against their will.

Then ask them if incidental same anatomical sex nudity in single gender multiple occupancy changing/locker/shower rooms is a crime.

The answers should be very enlightening.
So we should ban transgender women from using the restroom, force them to use the men's room, then force transgender men to use the women's room....now that is gonna be awkward having a man use the women's room.

Then of course, there is this whole pesky thing of women exposing themselves to children, why is that something okay for you? Do you often times expose yourself to children?

You seem to be dancing around these questions quite poorly as you work yourself into a hole.
 
Old 04-18-2016, 03:05 PM
 
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Is this a "non-issue"? Maybe they didn't have a towel handy?

Two articles on transgenders harassing women. We used to call them "perverts" before PC became the law of the land !

Man Arrested After Claiming To Be Transgender, Filming Women In Restroom – Daily Headlines

Man Jailed After Claiming to be

The Ontario, Canadian government, recently amended its Human Rights Code to include “gender identity” and “gender expression” as grounds for discrimination in 2012.

Canada Family Action president, Brian Rushfeldt, said this incident proves that the “gender identity legislation is inherently flawed.”

“The Ontario law is dangerous. It is unacceptable that any country would allow a law which puts citizens at risk. It proves the law was ill planned and executed, and the government should be held legally responsible for these crimes.”

Jack Fonseca, of Campaign Life Coalition, told LifeSiteNews: it “didn’t take a brain surgeon to predict that letting men into women’s bathrooms and other private spaces would eventually lead to sexual assaults.
So it's heterosexual men pretending to be transgender that are a problem, not transgender people?
Heterosexual men assaulting or raping women and children have always been a problem. Why not address the real issue?
 
Old 04-18-2016, 03:10 PM
 
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This is actually more about public multiple occupancy changing/locker/shower rooms in which various stages of undress are usual and expected, and in which MINORS are frequently present.

See the IL school district case in which a student claiming to be a MTF trans but still has a penis was exposing his genitalia to MINOR female students.

Missouri students and parents aren't happy about a similar case, either:

Students Walk Out Of School Over Trans Teen Using Girl’s Locker Room « CBS St. Louis
You STILL keep telling deliberates lies about that IL OCR report despite being provided with a link to the OCR report and the Agreement. Unbelievable.
 
Old 04-18-2016, 03:14 PM
 
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No proof of your claim in the IL case and in the PA case the college ended up changing the rules to allow TG people to use the one that they identify with.
"Policy," but not law. And gender identity is NOT a federally protected class. So guess what's going to happen when more students complain about those who "self-identify" as trans but haven't completed sex reassignment surgery exposing themselves in opposite gender facilities.

Did You Know It's Legal In Most States To Discriminate Against LGBT People? : It's All Politics : NPR
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