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Old 04-16-2016, 08:09 AM
 
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Best to wait for a " strong" president to send tens of thousands of other people's children to war.

Heard Cruz this week yapping about the US military going back in, taking care of business and quickly departing, almost word for word how the invasion of Iraq was sold to Congress.

6 years later the US managed to spend $6 million of borrowed money ( when interest on incremental debt and VA benefits are taken into consideration). Most of this spend was done by emergency appropriation.

Throw the public a tax cut bone and they did not care.

Seems way to many Americans' self esteem is tied to US imperialism.
Really! Or is it Americans are unaware of the real things going on.........OIL! Not everything is America fault or wanting to control the world.


Are you an Environmentalist? You just might be the problem..........
The Environmentalist World War | Frontpage Mag
Reagan had opposed the Trans-Siberian pipeline using everything from sanctions to sabotaged equipment to stop the Soviet Union from gaining energy leverage over Western Europe. His larger solution to the Soviet energy threat however was to rely on the Saudis and now Western Europe, faced with the threat of Putin, is repeating that mistake by turning to Qatar, which has become an even bigger terror state than Saudi Arabia.


The Trans-Siberian pipeline that allows the Greens to play at self-righteous ecology with renewables while their actual needs are taken care of by Russia and Qatar was built with slave labor.
The Sakharov Committee's hearing, chaired by a former assistant prosecutor at the Nuremburg Trials, reported that prisoners in pipeline labor camps went hungry and experienced outbreaks of disease; women were forced to work on the pipeline and were sexually assaulted by guards.
The workers, some of them political dissidents, ate lichens out of hunger. The writer Julia Vosnessenskaya testified that due to the lack of nutrition, "most of us left the camps infertile."
This was the pipeline that Reagan tried to stop, that European countries financed and fought for and are now chained by. Europe can choose Qatar over Russia, but Qatar also bases its economy on slave labor.
Europe is desperately searching for a moral energy policy, but the only truly moral energy policy is domestic production. Environmentalists have made that impossible by hijacking domestic energy production into the so-called renewables which are expensive, unreliable and whose worthlessness creates a dependency on foreign energy.


Do you support GREEN? just not in your backyard........


Green Energy only means that actual energy has to come from countries less finicky about pollution and human rights leading to slave labor, repression, terror and war. Environmentalism has brought us to the edge of world war by turning over manufacturing to China and energy to Russia and Saudi Arabia.


Energy and manufacturing outsourcing don’t make the world cleaner. China and Russia are fantastically dirty. The Gulf War and various other conflicts involving oil countries have spewed more pollution into the atmosphere than all the cars of Los Angeles.
Nor can it be said that they make the world a better place when Islam, Russia and China are dragging the world into war.


Green Energy doesn’t lead to energy independence. Instead it puts money into the pockets of tyrants and terrorists. A new century has become clotted with wars because of the environmental activists perversely campaigning for a cleaner world.
Instead of a greener world, they have given us a Green World War.


Seeing to the way President bush bowed to the King.......I would say we sent our finest into war for Oil and making the ME rich! President Obama has only made them richer..........
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Old 04-16-2016, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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How much money do we spend protecting SA with our military?

If they are going to threaten us economically, we can threaten to remove all our military protection from them and let Iran and their enemies know. I suspect SA would back off.....
I don't know how much money the US spends protecting SA with our military. It's likely funded by Saudi purchase of US treasuries. Then there's the whole weapons manufacturing / sale thing. Heck of a lot of US fortunes and middle class jobs depend on business as usual.
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Old 04-16-2016, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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But it's the Royals who are financing the spread of the cancer of radical Islamist extremism around the world!
All of Islam is extremist. There are no good Muslims and to say that there is is like saying there's good cobras that won't bite. All Muslims must be kicked out of America now!
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Old 04-16-2016, 08:28 AM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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Maybe. Maybe not.

Bin Laden was one of 50+ siblings born to a father who worked with the royal family.

The family and country cut ties with him more than 20 years ago.

Does not mean that everyone in that country did so.

Not according to his ex sister in law who was married to one of Osama's 45 brothers, at the time!


Borrow the book from the library and see what Carmen Bin Ladin says about her in laws.
BTW it is also a beautiful but heartbreaking love story. Her husband was nothing like the rest of those NEANDERTHAL CRETINS!


Inside the Kingdom: My Life in Saudi Arabia by Carmen Bin Ladin


https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...om_search=true


Her book is where I read of the Bin Ladin family being allowed to fly out after the 9/11 attacks, while our own planes were grounded!

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Old 04-16-2016, 08:28 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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All of Islam is extremist. There are no good Muslims and to say that there is is like saying there's good cobras that won't bite. All Muslims must be kicked out of America now!
If you believe that you'd better get your Congressmen working on a new Amendment ASAP.
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Old 04-16-2016, 08:48 AM
 
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All of Islam is extremist. There are no good Muslims and to say that there is is like saying there's good cobras that won't bite. All Muslims must be kicked out of America now!
So true!!

These people clearly don't understand.

It's like picking good terrorists and bad terrorists
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Old 04-16-2016, 09:13 AM
 
Location: north central Ohio
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So we're supposed to let these pissant tyrants to hold us hostage?

If all these rumors are true about the Saudi involvement with 9/11 we clearly invaded/occupied the wrong country in 2003. Is it really too late to correct that error?

That oil wouldn't do ISIS a bit of good if they couldn't sell it. Why do we waste our resources with things like embargoes of countries that did nothing to us and let these scumbags do as they please?

I think we need to send an unarmed cruise missile on a low pass over Mecca, and tell them in no uncertain terms the next one will be armed if they don't change their ways.

The best idea I have ever read on how to deal with those disgusting sand rats!


Or tell them we will send a B-52 over, loaded with 'pigskin' footballs to drop on them so they can't enter Paradise and get their 72 virgins,hahahaha!
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Old 04-16-2016, 09:22 AM
 
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Oh no, I think I agree with you to a tee. Saudi Arabia is probably THE most repressive Arab nation on Earth. One of the things the royals are repressing is ISIS-style movements. The royals are bad, but man oh man, we sure as hell don't want to have to deal with their likely successors should they ever lose power.

No, the Saud family is somewhat controlling the activities of violent Salafi (Wahabi) terrorists within Saudi Arabia...and only "somewhat." They aren't doing much to control Salafi violence against non-Muslims and Shiites within Saudi Arabia. They're doing nothing whatsoever to control Salafi (Wahabi) violence outside Saudi Arabia, they are well aware that their money is being funneled into violent Salafi (Wahabi) activities outside Saudi Arabia, and they deliberately provide financial support worldwide to the teaching of Salafi (Wahabi) doctrine that they know leads to violence among the most strident (or most easily influenced).

But right now the Saud family is abiding by their 1972 agreement with the US to sell their oil only for US dollars. That is a major support for the US dollar on the world market and is the reason the US government continues to support them.
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Old 04-16-2016, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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There's a big difference between circumstances with Iraq and Saudi Arabia. As Cheney told us time after time after time, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

But, IF there is solid evidence implicating the Saudi government as involved in the 9/11 attacks it would be nothing less than an act of war. We're supposed to let that go unchallenged?

BTW, the real coward POTUS was the one who censored the report on 9/11 and invaded/occupied a country that did nothing to us.

We have one major problem with now saying that the Saudis are to blame for 9/11; we convinced the world that Afghanistan was to blame. Of course I am sure many countries took it as just more American, imperialist propaganda; but some did not. We also convinced Americans and we had many soldiers killed and wounded in Afghanistan. Are we now going to tell them their sacrifice was for nothing? Lying is a very dangerous game and it can catch up to those that deceive.
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Old 04-16-2016, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Florida
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After watching 'Saudi Arabia Uncovered' it's difficult to care what that government wants--unbelievably barbaric.

Saudi Arabia Uncovered: Documentary shows brutality of world where women are beheaded in street
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