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Old 09-05-2016, 08:16 AM
 
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Everyone knows the "people don't have IDs" excuse is completely bogus.

Additionally, even in states with voter ID laws, all the old and disabled people they talk about can still vote without an ID.. They request a ballot by mail and then send it in. It has postage on it. They don't have to leave your home.
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Old 09-05-2016, 08:21 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Everyone knows the "people don't have IDs" excuse is completely bogus.

Additionally, even in states with voter ID laws, all the old and disabled people they talk about can still vote without an ID.. They request a ballot by mail and then send it in. It has postage on it. They don't have to leave your home.
Exactly, because absentee ballots are signature matched. I absentee ballot because I have homes in multiple states, but vote in only one.
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Old 09-05-2016, 08:30 AM
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Anywhere from 6% – 11% of voting-age US citizens don’t have a valid form of state ID. Roughly 2% are registered voters. There is no reason that photo ID should not be required and I'm sure most of that 2% interested in voting would find ways to get photo id.
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Old 09-05-2016, 09:11 AM
 
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Voter fraud at the polls is almost nonexistent in the US; making it harder for the young, old, poor (presumed Democrats) is not part of the electoral process no matter what Fox news tells America.
If you don't require ID to vote then how can you expect to have any realistic and accurate data on how much voter fraud actually occurs?


How much fraud is acceptable to you?
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Old 09-05-2016, 10:35 AM
 
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You're "crowing" because you found 1? A special Voter's ID...not an official MD ID...which still costs.

Still waiting for that "most of the states" proof.
YOU are the one claiming NONE and post a site for your "proof"

Using YOUR site I found 2 without much trying.

I would bet there are OTHERS.

Try READING what YOUR post stated.


"MD
  • Older than 65 years old: ID Card is free.
  • Disabled: ID Card is free."
What part of "FREE" do you not understand?


The issue is a VALID photo ID for VOTING.

It is YOUR site, YOU look them up.
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Old 09-05-2016, 10:50 AM
 
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"Ok, explain to me how one does vote multiple times."

I would NOT claim "multiple" time but certainly 2 times.

I know people who did NOT get their old states drivers license taken by the DMV when they moved to another state and got a NEW license in that new state.

Therefore they have 2 driver's licenses.

The CAN vote in both state if they wish.

Many want a college student ID to be a valid ID for voting.

A school ID does NOT have ANYTHING to do with where you are "resident".

You can have a driver's license from your registration home state and vote there AND if college ID is taken as valid WITHOUT changing your "residence" in that state, and you go to school "out of state" you could vote AGAIN in the schools state.
Yes, but the logistics of it. Maybe in the Primary election, but not in the general election unless you will be traveling between states on election day or are abusing the mail in ballot. How does showing ID stop this one? They will have a valid ID from both states and absentee ballots don't require much in the way of identification(i.e. who really filled that ballot out?).

A College student that is not living in a dorm, would indeed reside in the state(they could be paying rent). Or they could be going to school in the same state that they live in.
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Old 09-05-2016, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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YOU are the one claiming NONE and post a site for your "proof"

Using YOUR site I found 2 without much trying.

I would bet there are OTHERS.

Try READING what YOUR post stated.


"MD
  • Older than 65 years old: ID Card is free.
  • Disabled: ID Card is free."
What part of"FREE"do you not understand?


The issue is a VALID photo ID for VOTING.

It is YOUR site, YOU look them up.
ROTFLMAO! My site? I wish, could use the $$$. 2--3---10---is still not "most of the States"
You do know that the line right below your truncated quote states the fees for renewal of ID?

Yes..that is the issue...
Nonetheless, I'm glad that a small number of States are getting on-board with the free ID for voting--as I posted earlier, that seems to be a common-sense solution--if there are going to be ID requirements to vote.
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Old 09-05-2016, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Everyone knows the "people don't have IDs" excuse is completely bogus.

Additionally, even in states with voter ID laws, all the old and disabled people they talk about can still vote without an ID.. They request a ballot by mail and then send it in. It has postage on it. They don't have to leave your home.
FACT: The types of IDs that are accepted under voter ID laws are specifically the types fewest minorities have. The means of obtaining acceptable IDs is commonly prohibitive to most minorities due to cost or travel requirements.

FACT: voter fraud that IDs would potentially prevent are so few in number as to be statistically non-existent and do not threaten elections.

FACT: most if not all studies being presented by voter ID advocates in which duplicate voter registration has been investigated are rendered obviously worthless by claiming that "Andrew Robinson" in South Carolina is the same person as "Andrew Robinson" in California.

Given these facts, the call for voter IDs is a corrupt policy that disenfranchises legal voters and should not be legislated.

And the right screams that they are strictly against corruption in politics. Riiiiiiiiight.
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Old 09-05-2016, 01:25 PM
 
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Everyone knows the "people don't have IDs" excuse is completely bogus.

Additionally, even in states with voter ID laws, all the old and disabled people they talk about can still vote without an ID.. They request a ballot by mail and then send it in. It has postage on it. They don't have to leave your home.

Yep people wanting to vote without IDs at most should be given provisional ballots that require providing more personal information to be checked later before their vote is counted. They should not be given regular ballots if any ballot at all.
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Old 09-05-2016, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Yep people wanting to vote without IDs at most should be given provisional ballots that require providing more personal information to be checked later before their vote is counted. They should not be given regular ballots if any ballot at all.
NV and many places use a signature check. That is the same standard as is used on many absentee ballots. If that is not sufficient why not fix the absentee ballot first? Absentee ballots are of course a much bigger known source of voting fraud.
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