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Old 03-08-2017, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Texas
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SEVEN years in the making for this????????????????
Many of the provisions within the bill that he finds so objectionable, Massie explained, aren't bugs. They're crony features of a product designed by, and for the benefit of, the insurance industry.

Real reform won't happen, Massie argued during a recent meeting of the Washington Examiner's editorial board, unless Republicans push special interest out of the process. "I think the [American Healthcare Act] was written by the same people that wrote Obamacare," he said. "That's why it looks so similar. It was the insurance lobby."

Rep. Thomas Massie: GOP Obamacare repeal 'stinking pile of garbage' written by the 'insurance lobby,' and it 'will fail' | Washington Examiner

 
Old 03-08-2017, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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I like the fact there is lack unanimity among Republicans. The lack of signals real discussion, even disagreement. Much more in the mould of a democratic republic, than the monolithic, sycophantic democratic mob masquerading as a political party. Group think. Group speak.
What right-wing news outlet gave you that spin? LOL! Because of the hard line ideology of the different factions of the Republican party, you will get nothing!
 
Old 03-08-2017, 09:23 AM
 
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SEVEN years in the making for this????????????????



I agree. The GOP had 7 years to draft, and perfect a plan. It should have been ready to present on day one of the new administration.


That being said, why in the past 10 years has health care become such a huge issue ? I'm 48 and growing up I don't remember my parents worrying about health care, if we needed something we went to the doctor or hospital. As a young adult starting the work force I never had to worry about it, my jobs always offered it, even one of my first jobs in fast food. Then later even as a contract designer , my contract house always offered it. And paying for it was never that much of a deal, such a small amount would be deducted from my pay. Only when I was laid off for a year in '07 did I worry. And even then we paid for office visits out of pocket. A surgery would have been a big deal though.
Now my wife and I pay out of pocket, neither of our work places offer it and it is costing us $700 a month.
What has changed so drastically from our parents times to now ?
 
Old 03-08-2017, 09:25 AM
 
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Really, really stupid. Divide us some more, spread the hate.
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They will, along with a lot of democrats who worked hard to prevent this. Is that funny too?
Pot er kettle?
 
Old 03-08-2017, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Texas
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This is it in a nutshell. We had the crazy, uncompromising Tea Party faction that has made fixing the ACA impossible. And this same faction will keep the GOP from doing anything else now unless it is total and complete destruction. It's hard to see where the Republicans go from here.
This is it in a nutshell. We had the crazy, uncompromising progressive faction that has made inexpensive, efficient in heathcare insurance impossible. And this same type of progressive faction from the GOP will do the same thing the progressive left has done unless the Tea Party and other conservatives stop the total and complete destruction of the free market which lowers costs and increases efficiency. It's easy to see where the progressives go from here. Repeal it completely or get voted out of office.
 
Old 03-08-2017, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I agree. The GOP had 7 years to draft, and perfect a plan. It should have been ready to present on day one of the new administration.


That being said, why in the past 10 years has health care become such a huge issue ? I'm 48 and growing up I don't remember my parents worrying about health care, if we needed something we went to the doctor or hospital. As a young adult starting the work force I never had to worry about it, my jobs always offered it, even one of my first jobs in fast food. Then later even as a contract designer , my contract house always offered it. And paying for it was never that much of a deal, such a small amount would be deducted from my pay. Only when I was laid off for a year in '07 did I worry. And even then we paid for office visits out of pocket. A surgery would have been a big deal though.
Now my wife and I pay out of pocket, neither of our work places offer it and it is costing us $700 a month.
What has changed so drastically from our parents times to now ?
More government intervention. We know when they get involved costs go up and efficiency goes down. Progressive policies are known failures.
 
Old 03-08-2017, 09:30 AM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Wait?

In your mind young people should pay more just cuz'?

But "I'm old and can't afford an increase"?
Noooo! Everyone should pay less! Does Social Security keep 20% of everyone's SS check for profits and to run the agency?

I already told my Doctor that if I ever have to take expensive medications, I'll be buying my own gas chromatograph and chemicals, thereby taking him and the pharmacist out of the equation ....ala "Breaking Bad"!

I don't think I ought to be a member of the "No Doctor can't afford a Mercedes Club"!

How about giving nurses and physician assistants the ability to write prescriptions after more pharmacology training? That would drop costs to insurance companies like a rock? I could renew my prescription from seeing the nurse at CVS for $25, without having to make an expensive trip to the doctor where BCBS pays $160 for a visit, discounted from $450! What a racket!

What are your thoughts ...Mr Charlotte Motor Speedway?
 
Old 03-08-2017, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Yes, he said yesterday that he supports it. He is such a lap dog with a magic pen - he's sign anything without review.

Trump endorses GOP replacement plan for Obamacare, says 'let's get it done'

"President Donald Trump on Tuesday said he was "proud to endorse" a plan to replace Obamacare backed by Republican leaders in Congress, and called for its quick passage even as opposition to the bill hardened among conservatives."
For a "so-called" business executive who claims to negotiate great deals, Trump is a failure. Trump is not doing his due diligence for any of his presidential responsibilities. Heard he will be golfing this weekend at Ma a Logo again.
 
Old 03-08-2017, 09:30 AM
 
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What kind of decent national health plan pits young people against older ones? Sick versus healthy? Rich versus poor? Only in America, a nation too impoverished to pay for universal coverage.
To be fair, it's health insurance being "insurance." That's just how insurance works... the people who are at higher risk of making costly claims always pay more than those who aren't. That's people with history of accidents (car insurance), houses close to water (flood insurance), people who are older (life insurance), and... yes, people who are sick. So that system is working how it's supposed to. The problem, depending on where you're sitting, is we have a country full of unhealthy people who only want the *option* of healthcare instead of the certainty of it via a gov't system like Medicare.

Don't worry, as more people go broke paying for healthcare, you'll see the tide turning. I suspect that "I want to pay for mine and mine only" feeling starts disappearing fast after you've shelled out 6 figures on your healthcare and realize you need those other people who are healthy to join your pool and bring your costs down.
 
Old 03-08-2017, 09:33 AM
 
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I am also delighted those dreadful 8 years are over, so this administration can undo the damage done between 1/20/2009 and 1/19/2017.
So you want the recession back? Home values plummeting? Job loss at astronomical numbers? How quickly you Repubs forget how bad things were before Obama straightened out the mess left by George W. Bush.
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