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Because folks are choosing to opt out of vaccines there are increase in cases of mumps, measles, whooping cough, chicken pox.
If it was just about the kid not getting the shot -- who cares...but if it is about the potential for infecting others -- hmmmm -- not so much just about that one body.
I guess I forgot that little winky face, to alert you to the fact that I was joking. Wait...here he is!
On a more serious note, we've eradicated smallpox and polio. Good, right?
yes good that small pox was eradicated, but polio is starting to make a come back in some areas.
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Originally Posted by Mattks
Pro vax. Vaccinations have been a huge benefit to humanity. But, like many things in life, moderation is sometimes best. I have some friends who are anti vax and I just don't get it.
the problem imo is that some people look at vaccines as a prevent all type of drug, but the fact is that unless the particular strain of disease is part of the vaccine, you have no protection. for instance a hepc vaccine does not protect against hep b.
the other issue i see is that vaccines are starting to be overused like antibiotics are, and that also causes problems.
yes good that small pox was eradicated, but polio is starting to make a come back in some areas.
the problem imo is that some people look at vaccines as a prevent all type of drug, but the fact is that unless the particular strain of disease is part of the vaccine, you have no protection. for instance a hepc vaccine does not protect against hep b.
the other issue i see is that vaccines are starting to be overused like antibiotics are, and that also causes problems.
The problem with eradicating polio is that it still exists in areas where religious fanatics are interfering with vaccination programs. So far this year there have been a total of 5 cases of polio, 3 in Afghanistan and 2 in Pakistan. Vaccination must continue in areas of the world where it has recently been found because it may still be in water supplies there. Wild polio was completely eliminated in the Americas in 1991.
No one who is knowledgeable about vaccines sees them as a "prevent all type of drug" and no one expects a vaccine to prevent anything except the disease it is designed to.
There is no hepatitis C vaccine, unfortunately.
There are no problems from "overuse" of vaccines.
By the way, a new Ebola vaccine was found to be 100% effective last year. No one who got the vaccine came down with Ebola ten or more days after getting it. The vaccine does not use intact Ebola virus, so it cannot cause Ebola itself.
To put it out there, I believe this is, or at least was, only based on a conference abstract. Don't know if it's been published yet. It makes far more sense to me then the grand conspiracies.
It looks like the clue is excessive amounts. Some people think if a vitamin is good, more is better.
It's becoming like pro life, pro choice. It's about having control over your own body or your child's in the name of safety.
Do you have the right to end a pregnancy if it's your child in your body? Some believe you are killing another human being. Some do not.
Do you have the right to choose not to vaccinate your child? Even if your child could possibly harm another human being by spreading a virus? Even if you will contain your child if disease presents? Do we trust others?
We have tons of choices to make as a social structure. What constitutes a public health concern? Killing the unborn does to a certain population but to others it does not. To others the loss of control over ones own body and or the body of their child is more important.
For some not vaccinating endangers others and your choice is not as important as human health. Requiring health insurance is the same. Requiring a safe weight is the same. If you are unhealthy in a way society deems you unsafe then should we mandate you to conform?
What if your weight or your habits make it more likely for you to become a carrier of a disease. Does that count?
It really is a social moral decision. We mandate to pay for things that may cause harm but are for the greater good all the time. Our military for wars, roads for cars, etc.
It very socialist to mandate vaccines at the same time it's very liberal to claim pro choice regarding abortion. We pick and choose what we deem a hazard and what we deem a public health crisis. What we deem a choice to do to our bodies and what we do not.
It's a very sticky road. What usually happens is a vote. Who the majority votes for. In our country that usually means who can fund the fight. Anti vaxers can't afford to launch a good campaign or invest in studies to prove a point. Therefore, pro vaxers have an advantage.
Add to the mix unlike a socialized healthcare system we are for a profit. This just adds doubt to the whole thing.
lol, in short, I have no idea. It just is polarizing. But I do believe we have nothing to fear but fear itself. On both ends.
Anti-vaxers have no science on their side. None. Zero. Zilch. Their refusal is due to belief in misinformation dispensed by people who have a vested interest in keeping the anti-vax movement alive. They make money from it.
Few lifestyle associated conditions have any effect on the health of other people, with alcoholism perhaps being the most prominent.
The abortion issue and vaccination are not comparable. Someone else's views on abortion do not affect you or your family at all. If someone else does not vaccinate, it may be your baby who catches measles or whooping cough.
Anti-vaxers have no science on their side. None. Zero. Zilch. Their refusal is due to belief in misinformation dispensed by people who have a vested interest in keeping the anti-vax movement alive. They make money from it.
Few lifestyle associated conditions have any effect on the health of other people, with alcoholism perhaps being the most prominent.
The abortion issue and vaccination are not comparable. Someone else's views on abortion do not affect you or your family at all. If someone else does not vaccinate, it may be your baby who catches measles or whooping cough.
Once again you speak in terms of absolutes, which really damages your arguments. It makes me very suspicious.
The science is out there if you don't turn a blind eye. Start with the list I provided.
And by the way, there is much more money in pro-vax than anti-vax.
The state can not just interfere with peoples bodies in relation to adults, whilst in terms of children, the consent of the parents is generally required in many countries, with the exception being in emergency situations.
To take consent away from parents and give it to the state is a big issue, and one we have to be careful of.
I much prefer making my own informed decisions rather than have the state decide for me.
I am also against RFID Microchip inplants which can track people and other such invasions in to privacy and choice, so it's not a matter of science for me, it's the ability to make informed choices and to be free from state control.
It looks like the clue is excessive amounts. Some people think if a vitamin is good, more is better.
Yea, and not only that it could be a metabolism issue. I would not be surprised if down the road we find a subset of the population with a gene variant that does not metabolize the B vitamins well.
Forcing vaccinations sounds good until your child is part of the small percentage that has a bad reaction and may even die from them. Every time my stepson got any vaccination, he had a seizure. After he quit getting the shots, he never had another seizure. His specialist ( a neurologist) said the shots were causing them. He also told us that there was a risk of brain damage.
Forcing vaccinations sounds good until your child is part of the small percentage that has a bad reaction and may even die from them. Every time my stepson got any vaccination, he had a seizure. After he quit getting the shots, he never had another seizure. His specialist ( a neurologist) said the shots were causing them. He also told us that there was a risk of brain damage.
I wonder why. The first thing that comes to mind is that his immune response is triggering these seizures- just a guess on my part. I wonder if he will have these symptoms when he faces illnesses during his life.
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